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#1 Witherguy5

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Posted 09 October 2016 - 02:58 PM

How does playing the computer get you better? Is it just for beginners?



#2 GaryLShelton

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Posted 09 October 2016 - 04:22 PM

The computer here will not make you better.

Check out Probe for a better computer game. www.imersatz.com
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#3 The Prof

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Posted 09 October 2016 - 05:45 PM

Gary (or others), what ELO do you think Probe would have it played ranked games here?

 

Probe was allowed to play ranked games at Metaforge for a time and it's equivalent .com ELO reached a high of 415 (KRACH = 612), but mostly it was around a .com ELO of 380 (KRACH = 500. No doubt Probe is a better than the AI here, but these numbers still seem a bit on the high side to me as I found it to play at a fairly low level.  My record against Probe is 19-0 and it's unlikely I could do that against someone with an ELO of around 400.   



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Posted 09 October 2016 - 06:10 PM

I would assume your record against Probe is partially due to it not adapting. Most human opponents will change their tactics a bit against an opponent they have played 19 times whereas an AI opponent will not.


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#5 GaryLShelton

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Posted 10 October 2016 - 05:51 AM

Well, yes of course, The Prof. It's not very high. I do suspect it's in the mid to high 200's. It is a superior AI to the computer AI here. That much is true. :)
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#6 tobermoryx

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Posted 11 October 2016 - 01:27 AM

I agree with Gary , about 280 .



#7 queenbee1

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Posted 15 October 2016 - 11:16 PM

If I had to guess it is not above 180.



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Posted 15 October 2016 - 11:45 PM

Probe is certainly way above 180.

#9 GaryLShelton

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Posted 16 October 2016 - 06:57 AM

If I had to guess it is not above 180.


Do you do okay against it, queenbee1? Unlike most people here I've actually lost to the thing before. A few times in fact, though they were awhile ago. I use to play it when I was 300-400-ish and that's been a bit of time ago now. It's a trick to beat at times because "dang Probe lottoes" according to maxroelofs. But like any opponent one gets used to its playing style. It's not as difficult to beat everytime after that.
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#10 Fairway

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Posted 18 February 2017 - 06:44 PM

I recently downloaded Probe on my laptop, I'm 23-3 against it in full games, my three losses all to lotto, once into an open flag and twice taking colonels or general with their marshal. Probe certainly likes to lotto, which can be quite annoying at times, as well as frustrating. Their lotto is usually successful, so the key to beating Probe every time is to not allow them to lotto (by cutting off their pieces). Probe also cannot call bluffs (unless it is on a lottoing spree, and therefore simply doesn't care). Probe can somewhat bluff itself but fails to do so successfully most of the time. Probe on "beginner" I would gauge around 250 ELO, on medium about the same (maybe 300) and on expert definitely no higher than 350. Another note, Probe usually has anti-lotto setups as well as bombs in odd or unguessable places.

 

(You guys are aware that you can change the "beginner-medium-expert" hardness through the settings/help tab?)


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