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#21 donald.mallard

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Posted 08 July 2016 - 02:47 PM

Yo,

 

 

I support the Brexit, many would call it a medieval guess.

But I think it's a good sign to leave this mess

and the reason lads that this treaty's blessed with evil pacts

is to get dictatorship so it needs to crash, bleed you brats

cuz' the greed to tax the people's cash

is feastin' fast plus it's releasin' The Beast instead!

Democracy?! I guess there's no need for that

so kleptocracy is the sequel lads

and it will do everythin' to get its prequel trashed.

The economy is collapsin' : everywhere you go, you see the feeble stats

and countries feel like they're losing their sovereignty with this illegal trash!

 

The Beast, Trickz?

Surely your not talking about the biblical Beast, are you?

The whole world's economy is still bad after '08.

I feel that tthe Queen and UK are making a bad choice by leaving, but then again maybe something good will come about from this decision.

 

Sammy


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Posted 09 July 2016 - 10:40 PM

I'm sorry Sammy, but what does the Queen of England have to say about anything?

 

No one knows what the ramifications will be of the UK leaving the EU. Some people are initially afraid of change. They have a right to be. However, panic is nowhere in sight. The UK already has their own money. It's not as if Greece left all its debts unpaid and floated the Drachma again. Then you would see a crisis in the markets. IMO that would have been the best thing Greece could have done and although the pain would be bad initially, they could eventually start to recover. Now they are just rolling over loans month to month and paying ever increasing interest due to the risk of default.

 

The UK is in no way similar. The main epicenters of finance are still NYC, London and Hong Kong. Maybe toss in Tokyo too. The problem is debt is everywhere. Central banks force the commoners to invest in a market they do not understand as it is either that or 0% interest in a bank. The money has the keep moving just like the music in musical chairs. It is a balancing act that the central banks keep juggling. One day it may be dominos, but I don't think it will in the near future.



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Posted 11 July 2016 - 08:54 AM

panic is nowhere in sight. The UK already has their own money. It's not as if Greece left all its debts unpaid and floated the Drachma again. Then you would see a crisis in the markets. IMO that would have been the best thing Greece could have done and although the pain would be bad initially, they could eventually start to recover. Now they are just rolling over loans month to month and paying ever increasing interest due to the risk of default.

 

The UK is in no way similar. The main epicenters of finance are still NYC, London and Hong Kong. Maybe toss in Tokyo too. The problem is debt is everywhere. Central banks force the commoners to invest in a market they do not understand as it is either that or 0% interest in a bank. The money has the keep moving just like the music in musical chairs. It is a balancing act that the central banks keep juggling. One day it may be dominos, but I don't think it will in the near future.

 

I am with Donald about this. The Queen is making a big mistake and she should've listened to ours. Maybe you too Queenbee, because how so there is no panic? Just Friday UK Central Bankers shared lowering the rates was imminent. The UK so far had been the only developed country in the world to still have rates but it read they'll be dropping to 0,1% as well now. Mind you Japan was the first developed country to start all this nonsense, and their 30 year bonds turned negative last week, as the last Tokyo bond standing. Today's news is that my own country is the next to drop below 0% on tenyears': see https://twitter.com/...428722838470656

 

Also the real estate agents are making overtime in my country. Amsterdam is the new place to be. All financial companies coming over from London. They simply can not stay in the UK for regulatar reasons. It's all over the news here. Not sure if we would like such banksters coming over here, but how so there's no panic?


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Posted 11 July 2016 - 07:58 PM

What mistake am I making. My bank account is the same. Are you heavily invested in real estate? Are you underwater on your mortgage? Isn't there is food aplenty in the supermarkets and no riots in the streets.

 

I think young people have a different tolerance level. You really see panic? I see bets gone bad. The FTSE is now back to record highs.

 

So you are getting our news from twitter now? Setting rates at 0% is not news it is following the herd. Real Estate agents are paid by commission on sales. Is it different in the UK? Maybe it is. When you see people in the streets with torches and bricks crashing through windows then it is time to panic. 

 

Lo if it's all over the news there what are you doing about it to keep yourself safe. I'm sorry if I don't see it, but I get my news from the BBC, Washington Post, Chicago Tribune and NY Times. I don't read twitter. Are people climbing on boats as they did when Vietnam collapsed? Is someone storming Buckingham Palace and looting the crown jewels? Are you living in the tubes as your grandfathers did in WWll?

 

Explain to me who and what panic looks like to you. Come the America. We'd love to have you. We need young immigrants. We have plenty of jobs and the economy is humming. I said the UK is not Greece and look at them. They aren't rioting. Cameron leaves someone else is MP. Who cares? He gambled on the referendum and lost. Many people in the markets gambled on Bremain and lost, but in all losses there is a winner. 

 

Have you been to the market and the shelves are empty? Can you still get access to healthcare.

 

FTSE 100 rises to 11-month high

 

Please tell me how I am wrong. I don't mind being wrong.


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Posted 11 July 2016 - 10:53 PM

We won't leave the EU - No politician wants that on their resume. The referendum vote has no legal effect and any proposal still has to pass in parliament. I'll bet 50 red points on it never happening, especially now many who voted to leave have admitted that they 'didn't really mean it'.



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Posted 12 July 2016 - 08:46 AM

many who voted to leave have admitted that they 'didn't really mean it'

 

Yes I have been following the Regrexit-campaign. But Theresa May on her first inauguration speech yesterday said there were not going to be any backdoors, no new referendum, no, Brexit was a done deal and she would execute it. 

 

What mistake am I making.

 

It is not so much as a mistake, but that you´re simply an eternal optimist, Queenbee. All clues to the contrary you keep saying `nothing going on folks, carry on, carry on´ while everything is falling apart.

 

First off, yes, that is where I am getting the news from too. BBC, CNBC, CNN. Then your Washington Post, NY Times and more papers... they all share their coverage on Twitter. We´re reading the same stuff. Twitter is only different because you can chose what articles online to read, and they drop it in my inbox. Very easy. This is why I missed your Bears and Packers as I don´t read the sports, not interested in them much if it´s not about Stratego, so it doesn´t reach my inbox.

 

If you have read the Wall Street Journal on Sunday you would have seen where I am coming from. See http://uk.businessin...016-7?r=US&IR=T which covers Brexit, my country, your country. `Amazingly, there's nearly half a millennium of records to compare against, as record keeping began in 1517. As a historical reference point, that's the same year that Martin Luther published his 95 Theses.´

 

We´re living just before Weimar, Queenbee. Only it´s worse. That´s what economical panic will do to the streets. Back then people were saying `carry on, carry on, nothing to see here´ too. I believe even Churchill didn´t see it coming. And in my country we have a very famous politician, much like the Iraq spokesman back then, who said we could all sleep well, nothing was going to happen, everything was covered. The next day Hitler invaded the Netherlands.

 

It´s not like we have panic on Wall Street today and riots the next. This thing builds up, just like Weimar did. That took over a decade before exploding. Only then you´ll see your empty shelves.

 

We´ve matured as mankind, you might say. Technological advanced. Sure. Which just as easy may be the catalysator of the downfall. If energy is down, nobody here will know what to do. Everything runs through the computer, the smartphones. It wasn´t like that back 100 years ago. People could still manage in survival. Now people start complaining if a picture takes 5 seconds to load on their Iphone...

 

To answer your questions, yes I have heavily invested in real estate and am underwater on my mortgage. Which turned out to be a blessing in disguise. I´ve told this in the other thread as well, but I am every month getting money for borrowing my house. Why can´t you see how preposterous that is... Banks are that eager to lend me money, they want to give a bonus instead. Rent... rates? Not here... all common sense is out of the door.

 

We´ve had discussions about it in MT. Gary said the very best advise he had given his children was to buy off your house, no more mortgages or debt, as you will only have to pay rates. That was good advise for 500 years. Not anymore. In this day of age, you best have as much loans as possible and taking money for it.

 

Now.

 

If you ask me, the worst off momentarily is the US. So I most definately won´t be moving next to you, Queenbee. People doing several jobs and still can´t pay the bills at the end of the month. Banksters taking MUCH MORE money than they didn´t when bailed out after Lehman. And they´ve nailed us now, as all risks now do no longer lay with them, but with the governments, with us. The US as the number 1 state in the world is about to fall. They´re talking abandoning the dollar as worldcurrency as we speak.

 

All will set in fire if your loose canon gets to be the new President. Can´t be done, won´t happen? Brexit wouldn´t happen. Everybody was sure about that, even the bookmakers were sure (must have cost our tobermoryx a ton of money).

 

I´ll take you back for more surprises. Nuclear reactors wouldn´t breach. Not in a million years they wouldn´t. That were the odds. Then we got Fukushima. An attack on America would never happen. Well, thousands died in the WTC and since 9-11 we have been living the terrorist environment for 15 years now, and it gets worse every year.

 

We all forget the short sightedness of human kind, Queenbee.

 

If you´re talking stocks being up, sure. They were with Weimar too. Everybody wanted hard assets back then. Buildings, land, stocks, gold. Everybody wants to get rid of their dollars now too before it´s worth nothing. I have a coin which reads 200 million DM and a banknote which reads a trillion Deutsch Marks. That´s where we´re heading. The only problem is every nation plays this game now. It´s not just Zimbabwe. It´s the US, it´s Japan, it´s Draghi over here with the Euro, now it´s the Pound too.

 

Just read your papers, Queenbee. You´ll notice that just last weekend Greenspan said in an interview he wanted the gold backed dollar back. That is extraordinary news! He´s telling you all he strived for during his years on the FED was for nothing. He sees his big mistake. He sees the collapse of the dollar imminent if there´s not a big reset. Reset meaning all good people will lose all their savings. I´m well off myself as I only have debt, and debt will be stricken.

 

You will also have noticed Ben Bernanke. It was just as amazing what he had to say... `the concept of negative interest rates does not make theoretical sense. Instead of the borrower paying the lender with interest, the lender pays the borrower to take his money. Even former Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke didn't think this would happen. In 2009 he said, "No one will lend at a negative interest rate; potential creditors will simply choose to hold cash, which pays zero nominal interest."´

 

Boy, was he wrong. Greenspan thought the same, as did all of us, as after 500 years it had never happened that interest was at a minus. Couldn´t be. They´re all capitulating.

 

As an extra for my fellow Moderator Napoleon I´ll highlight this portion as well.

 

´Business owners ("buyers") also want to pay all their invoices up front, then draw down their credit balances with extremely low or negative rates. But the sellers, such as credit card companies, utility companies and car manufacturers, all want to delay receiving their payments. Negative interest rates cost them money, so they'll delay payments in hopes that things will improve.

 

This awkward exchange of goods and services is exactly what is happening in Switzerland. The Swiss canton of Zug is asking taxpayers to hold on to their money. The canton doesn't want the money, because negative interest rates means it loses money. Collecting taxes will cost the canton around $2.5 million each year. One Zug authority said, "The canton has an interest in receiving money as late as possible -- so it pays less negative interest."´

 

Check the whole story on https://www.thestree...g-gold-now.html

 

Just read `Tablecoins` for ´gold´ and you´re well within this Stratego community :lol: :D


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Posted 12 July 2016 - 07:15 PM

Lo,

 

I was pretty freaked out in 2007. We had our money spread around to keep it FDIC insured and some of us bought some gold and silver at. I didn't own stock and still don't. I own my home. Want to be in debt up to your eyeballs when the next crisis comes be my guest. You think you will suffer less than those who are not in debt? Read Zerohedge.com daily and you will believe the sky is falling. Also all the gold and silver bloggers. They make Henny Penny look like an optimist.

 

The next big filter I am concerned with is when technology can do nearly everything better than humans. I will be dead by then so I am not too concerned. What would humans be to a Super Artificial Intelligence? 

 

So panic daily or go with the flow. As the Shawshank Redemption quote said "get busy living or get busy dying."

 

Do you think you can fix this by being aware of it? I know that the financial markets are a casino. I know that people can barely earn a living, but labor lost that battle during Reagan. It's been stagnant wages factoring inflation for 40 years. It wasn't his fault. He just pulled the trigger when he fired all the Air Traffic Controllers. That was IMO the end of organized labor.

 

So yes the world economy is potentially on the brink of a crisis, but there is nothing you and I can do about it. There is no need to worry because worrying never fixed anything. You can act, but what will you act upon? I have been where you are and it is an unpleasant place to be.

 

It's like being on a Starship and red alert lights are everywhere and no one is reacting. That's because this too will pass and it won't be Weimar and it won't be The Great Depression or the Great Recession of 2008.

 

Again how bad is it relative to your great grandparent's time? The world has come a long way in a hundred years. 

 

I am not telling you that you are wrong and I am right. I just react to it differently.



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Posted 12 July 2016 - 07:42 PM

red alert 

 

USS Enterprise. Lol, yes I'm hearing it. Brace for impact!

 

Anyhow, we're living exciting times. Common human sense for at least 500 years but probably thousands of years makes no longer sense. How about that?

 

The unthinkable is happening.

 

Read this article. It's a wallpaper, I know. But it's well written. Notice several mentions of my Dutch countrymen. Going from a Dutch theologian who actually did come over to the United States up to a recent poll in which 90% of the Dutch appears to want the same kind of Brexit referendum as we've just seen in the UK: http://www.mauldinec...he-unthinkable1


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#29 The Prof

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Posted 13 July 2016 - 01:03 AM

Lo, please help my understanding because this seems backwards to me.  Paper currency loses value during periods of inflation, not deflation.  Historically it is during periods of higher than usual inflation that more people invest in gold and drive its price up.  But if major financial institutions are lending at negative interest rates, it means that they believe that $100 Euro will be worth more in the future than $100 Euro today.  They are betting that their fiat currency will strengthen relative to gold or other commodities.  What am I missing here?



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Posted 13 July 2016 - 09:41 AM

Two things. First is a new reason. Banksters used to say for at least half a millennium not to buy gold because a gold coin is just the same gold coin after a year, nothing more. While if you would give your savings to them, they'd pay you interest and you'd have more by the end of the year. This has always been right. It has never happened before their reasoning should be looked upside down now. That gold coin indeed is the same after a year. Your savings are not as they are less worth. You best buy gold is now the reversed reasoning of the Banksters.

 

Secondly (much more influential) is the monetary base. There's always a correlation between how many gold there is on earth and how many dollars printed. Now did you read that post above, Prof? It's for professors so I think you'll like it ;). It says soon the US will have 30 trillion dollars in debt. Try to write the figure down. Now, as the Chinese have stopped bailing out the US (they no longer buy US government bonds) the FEDsters have to buy it up themselves. They are forced to create massive amounts of new dollars.

 

So it is incorrect assuming everyone's fiat currency will strengthen relative to gold as you're forgetting everyone is printing massive amounts of their currency. It's the Worldchampionship of Moneycreation. Japan was winning at first, then the US, now Europe but Japan is making another big move and Bernanke actually said yesterday the US should follow Abe directly. It truly is almost sports.

 

Now. Deflation will lead into hyperinflation. Those massive amounts of dollars need to go somewhere. There has actually never been a Big Plan taking them all back again after all the QE's, LTRO's and such. In the end that hyperinflation causes a manical phase in where that gold coin of 1 ounce can be worth as much as the DOW is worth. This has happened before. It'll mean that from the 1.300 odd dollars now the gold coin will be worth an odd 18.000 dollars (as-is). 

 

Something what Greenspan is telling you now will set things on fire. A gold backed dollar he wants now, which means the direct link with the monetary base. For thousands of years people have been able to buy a good suit for 1 ounce of gold. When gold backed again, that kind of thing is the measurement. How many dollars exist, and how much gold is still in Fort Knox?

 

Listen, things are about to panic. Last year we were all amazed how it could be that 1 ounce of gold was lent over 100 times. So only 1 ounce rests in the warehouse but it's sold 100 times in advance. Now the stunning figure last month was it's now 566 times lent! Silver was even worse and will be about 1:1000 or so. That means if just 2 people of that 1000 come by to the warehouse to collect their ounce, the warehouse (COMEX) is broke, in default. The biggest Ponzi scheme ever. It's just waiting what event will set things in fire and Brexit might very well have been the start of things as goldmines are up over 100% this year.

 

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Posted 14 July 2016 - 04:02 AM

Thanks Lo, for the response.  I do recognize that the money supply has been greatly increased in the past decade by central banks, and that this should put downward pressure on the value of major currencies.  However, high inflation has not happened.  You say "Not yet".  But if deflation is going to give way to hyperinflation then why are interest rates so low on long term bonds and loans?  Why would creditors all over the world be willing to accept only a couple percent interest on a 30-year loan if they feel there is a risk that those loan payments could be worthless in the future.  Risk is typically priced into the interest rate of a loan.  That's why someone with a poor credit history must pay a higher interest rate.  But this doesn't seem to be happening in money markets.  If even a significant minority of financial players thought hyperinflation was a real possibility then I doubt their institutions would be lending money at low, let alone negative, interest rates.



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Posted 14 July 2016 - 04:54 AM

Thanks Lo, for the response.  I do recognize that the money supply has been greatly increased in the past decade by central banks, and that this should put downward pressure on the value of major currencies.  However, high inflation has not happened.  You say "Not yet".  But if deflation is going to give way to hyperinflation then why are interest rates so low on long term bonds and loans?  Why would creditors all over the world be willing to accept only a couple percent interest on a 30-year loan if they feel there is a risk that those loan payments could be worthless in the future.  Risk is typically priced into the interest rate of a loan.  That's why someone with a poor credit history must pay a higher interest rate.  But this doesn't seem to be happening in money markets.  If even a significant minority of financial players thought hyperinflation was a real possibility then I doubt their institutions would be lending money at low, let alone negative, interest rates.

In the immortal words of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: "Don't Panic"


Edited by queenbee1, 14 July 2016 - 06:45 AM.


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Posted 14 July 2016 - 09:00 AM

Why would creditors all over the world be willing to accept only a couple percent interest on a 30-year loan if they feel there is a risk that those loan payments could be worthless in the future

 

Not even a couple percent. Tokyo's 30 years is below zero...

 

Two things again. One: they are not. As I said, the Chinese have stopped buying American bonds for they consider them junk now. But they have been buying them for decades, making it possible for the US to get this enormous debt in the first place. The US has been sponsored for so long... ever since they stopped goldbacking the dollar an odd 40 years ago.

 

So they do no longer buy BUT still hold much, much bonds. They are not fine with them just being worthless once the US is in default. The same goes for all the other big countries that used to be A+++ but are now simply broke. There is much common ground. Again, it's not the Zimbabwe situation where there was just 1 country, 1 king, that spent big time, and got the Kwacha to drop zillions of % on a daily basis. If EVERYBODY is this deep in, you won't see hyperinflation yet. But there is a change in politics now. Those who own the papers have recognized the risks. Resulting in a parabole where countries themselves have to buy their own papers.

 

 

Secondly: they are. Things have been set in fire since Lehman. Governments decided to bail out the banks. They were too big to fail, they said (nowadays they are even bigger!). What happened was they took over all the bad loans. The Banksters could live happily ever after. No penalties were issued. The situation today is with the Banksters being freed from the bad loans, they simply sought other opportunities to make billions. They got their Monopoly-bail out card, so are not bothered. We're seeing mass manipulation and a whole new build up of bad derivates or even smarter products. We've seen Libor and that type of scheme and they are getting away for now with that 1:566 gold ratio.

 

My point here is: WE own the bad debts now... the enterprises are free... A+++ if you will... there's no risk in getting an Apple bond if that's a money machine... to the letter. As half the company is just a big pile of cash hanging around. Companies 'struggle' with owning too much money. They are doing so well, they don't know where to put it, so they simply buy up their own stocks, making the Dow grow and grow. 

 

So low risks on companies which is why the bonds do so well. Governmentbonds are a different story but as all countries deal with the problem (it is a WC moneycreation after all) the bonds keep getting bought. Much of that is forced. The FED simply HAS to buy whatever can't be sold to another, for instance. And a pensionfund simply HAS to buy bonds for it's in their statute... most countries (like mine) actually has regulations what a pensionfund must and must not buy; they may not buy gold for instance, and have to keep 50% or more in governmentbonds. This is why the rate drops below 0%... all forced trade.

 

On all accounts TINA goes. There Is No Alternative.

 

Hyperinflation can go when all things fall apart but it can also occur when things happen like Greenspan said. A reset, a gold backed dollar, or SDR. That's regulated hyperinflation at least and we may not even see Queenbee's riots. They do it after the Friday close, so well before the markets open the next week. Do the math. In 1 weekend you'll see the dollar drop against gold 1 to 10 or so.

 

This has happened before too you know. I'll have to look it up (*) but this dollar/gold revaluation occurred during current US world hegemony. Just before, the US government ordered all citizens to bring in their gold and exchange it against the (very low) old prize BEFORE revaluation. You could be hanged if you didn't, actually. Only if you were a coincollector you could escape as you could claim it was just an hobby. That's why I own ancient coins ;).

 

It all goes for the smart men on the wheel before, seeing now they did a bad job back then. Insiders like Greenspan are the people you should watch. It makes whatever Yellen says irrelevant. Looking back in 10 years, she'll see she was wrong as well. For thousands of years mankind has made the same mistake, purchasing more then they have money for. It collapsed the Roman empire in the end too. There are about 300 empires on record that have fallen just because of this.

 

Concluding; we, the people, pay the prize, as pensionfunds see their assets drop big time when the debt restructuring happens. Also you'll see major bail-ins. Our own Dijsselbloem (DIESELBOOM), chairman of the European finance ministers, made public he has a template ready for that. Every fairly rich dude who doesn't make precautions will lose his money. That is why stocks are up and gold is at 1:566.

 

Everybody is seeing this mass moneycreation can't continue forever. What is amazing, is that even the FED has no clue where this big experiment the world has started leads to. Nobody has a clue how long this can endure. It's brand new territory, seeing that Dutch 500 years old chart.

 

Last phase they're now actually making public is Helicoptermoney. Bernanke wants the FED to do that, and is in Japan now to talk it over with Abe today. One of the FEDsters officially said this week that would be a nice option: https://twitter.com/...204738087350272. If this gets serious, that 30 trillion doesn't look that big a number anymore, does it? 

 

Check twitter and you'll find many funny cartoons of Bernanke in a helicopter being the new Helicopter Pokemon :)


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Posted 14 July 2016 - 01:00 PM

* it was President Franklin Roosevelt who signed the United States Gold Reserve Act, January 30, 1934. The other upset was in the 70's as Nixon ended the gold backed dollar. Twice every generation such desperate measures are taken... 2016 is about time for the next one I guess.


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Posted 14 July 2016 - 09:07 PM

I won't disagree with anything Lonello said, but don't underestimate the power of the Central Bankers and the stupidity of the general public. 

 

All this financial stuff the public has no clue. They need to believe that the banks will open and they will live happily ever after.

 

Getting back to the people of Great Britain. I listen to the BBC a lot. Seems this whole Brexit thing is already been and gone in the US. I am sure it hasn't in GB. It's just the victim of our weekly news cycle. We moved right on from all the dead in Orlando to the police officers shot in Dallas. Where will it happen next? Stay tuned and we'll give you live coverage. Keep your cell phones charged and at the ready. Every time you see a cop confront someone put them on video and post it to youtube.

 

Good luck to all our players in GB. I hope it won't be as bad as some think.

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Edited by QueenofHearts, 14 July 2016 - 09:08 PM.

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Posted 15 July 2016 - 09:33 AM

Where will it happen next?

Half an hour later I'm afraid Nice happened. What's gone the world to?!

 

Getting back to the people of Great Britain

 

Yes, I am interested to know if this still goes:

 

We won't leave the EU - No politician wants that on their resume

 

Despite of the Regrexit-campaign May yesterday appointed all Brexit-ministers in her cabinet with The Boris up front. I didn't see that coming as I thought she would chose a more middle way. But she's screaming BREXIT now. She even appointed a special Brexit-minister to see to it the job gets done...


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Posted 20 July 2016 - 11:16 PM

We are in the end times.

 

With all the hate in this world, Revalation 13:18 comes to mind.

 

The Jewish Sages even say" Messiah will come in a time of great technology and hatred".

 

Now being Jewish I believe Jesus was Jewish. But he's not G-d's son.

 

I don't fully believe in the Christian version of the end times per say, but I know theres some truth to it.

 

Maybe the beast is not a one world government. Maybe the beast is hate.


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#38 queenbee1

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Posted 22 July 2016 - 12:50 AM

We are in the end times.

 

With all the hate in this world, Revalation 13:18 comes to mind.

 

The Jewish Sages even say" Messiah will come in a time of great technology and hatred".

 

Now being Jewish I believe Jesus was Jewish. But he's not G-d's son.

 

I don't fully believe in the Christian version of the end times per say, but I know theres some truth to it.

 

Maybe the beast is not a one world government. Maybe the beast is hate.

Donald I like you. You seem like a good kid, but the end of times? We have 7 billion people on this planet. Some of them are going to die from unnatural causes, but there is no Hitler marching down the streets with an army. America has the most dangerous military the planet has ever known and we seem to keep things together pretty good. 9 years ago I was not so optimistic. Greed nearly crashed the economy and we had two wars going on. I am proud to have Obama as the POTUS. May the next one fare as well as he did.

 

Be glad you weren't born in Germany during World War 2 or a slave to the Pharaohs in Egypt. There is no shame in the US to be of Jewish heritage except for a few fringe groups. This is the beginning of your life. Carpe Diem. The glass is half full. We are in the age of technology and it is really cool that we are migrating to wind and solar power. We now have cars that can park themselves, brake in emergencies and we are all connected via the internet. I have friends from Seattle to Eastern Europe, in Turkey and Lebanon. Now is a great time to be alive. Even at my age I find it exciting. The kids who will be the first humans to travel to Mars have already been born. Who knows what great things lay ahead.


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Posted 23 July 2016 - 03:14 AM

Hi Queen, Maybe I am being too serious. You are correct Adolf Hitler had is run and he failed, But whats to stop the holocaust or the camps from happening again?

I learned all through out being home schooled and then public high school. History has a way of repeating itself.

 

 

Back in 07, we launced a space probe to go to pluto and beyond. Maybe one day in about 45-50 years, we could live on mars or the moon. You never know.

 

 

Sam signing off.

 

Over and out.


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Posted 23 July 2016 - 10:21 AM

in about 45-50 years, we could live on mars or the moon

By then we would need about a dozen moons to coop with mankind's consuming behavior. 2016 is already being said to be the hottest year in centuries. Ice caps melt. New studies show the fumes of 1 car add to global warming 7 times today. It was 1:1, so is now 1:7 because of things going faster with the protecting ice caps gone. And how would we feed all those people in 50 years? Mankind is killing itself. You only need to watch the big cities in China. You can't even walk the streets there without a cap on your mouth for all the fumes. Every tree has been removed and replaced by buildings. It's a funny thing dictators like to demolish parcs like Erdogan will now do in Turkey, to put buildings in return. It's said The Donald wants to break down Central Parc in New York once he's President. Bricks bricks bricks. We keep on putting the one on the other. I say vote The Jill :)!

 

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Oops, this was about Brexit, wasn't it? Not fond of that Brexit either, no ;).


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