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#121 JoshJesh

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Posted 16 March 2019 - 12:26 AM

And another draw refusal report....

https://imgur.com/a/5K1Mt8N

 

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#122 Fairway

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Posted 16 March 2019 - 02:20 PM

Hi,

 

I would like to report BYZANTIN WARRIOR for draw refusal : https://imgur.com/a/RLQ8yfQ

 

Screenshots come from Iphone so a bit tricky to have timestamps at the same time but I tried my best !

 

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Hi,

 

I would like to report "Hallowdinner.be" for refusing a draw. My screenshots as well, are from an iPhone but I made a screenshot of each screenshot right away so it includes the phone's time stamp.

 

Hallowdinner.be only had a few pieces left which were lower than mine (my Marshall was still alive) and I could've killed his remaining pieces but he just kept on repeating the same moves hoping that I would allow his miner to get to my flag, this led to a no progress impasse and a time wasting situation.

 

I offered my first draw at 4:48 and was refused, I expressed through chat that I will wait 10 minutes for the next draw request and will report him, he dismissed my comments as a joke.

 

I sent my 2nd request at 5:00 and was declined again. I waited another 7 minutes and sent the last request and was declined. Out of draw requests I resigned at 5:11. Total waste time: About 20 minutes.

 

Screenshots: https://imgur.com/a/kll0Q0p

 

Thanks

 

 

And another draw refusal report....

https://imgur.com/a/5K1Mt8N

 

Against EFTHYM

 

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#123 rgillis783

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Posted 16 March 2019 - 09:53 PM

vaincoeur Draw refusal. As usual not sure if it meets criteria for no progress but this time it is a video showing my entire setup. Forgot to get final refusal--my bad. Two pieces were traded of equal value by my opponent 10 min has passed.  B)


Edited by rgillis783, 20 March 2019 - 12:25 PM.


#124 Fairway

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Posted 16 March 2019 - 10:08 PM

vaincoeur Draw refusal. As usual not sure if it meets criteria for no progress but this time it is a video showing my entire setup. Forgot to get final refusal--my bad. Two pieces were traded of equal value by my opponent 10 min has passed.  B)

 

https://www.youtube....e=youtu.be&hd=1

Hello Ray,

 

I will open a case shortly, but I must let you know that I will vote No Case on this one. And honestly I can't anticipate him receiving any punishment. 

 

This is because your opponent makes efforts to advance the game. This is evident through his attack with miner on your last row toward the end of your recording. 

 

The reason it took him so long to formulate an attack on your setup was because of your general. It was obvious that a majority of his bombs were up front, so if you were able to get past them with your general and lotto his back two rows, it could end in a disaster for him and you might have even found the flag. That's why he kept moving around with marshal- he couldn't let you through from your left side (likely his flag was there) and he wouldn't let you in the middle because it would interfere with his flag-hunting efforts.

 

Does this make sense?


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Posted 16 March 2019 - 10:33 PM

Hello Ray,

 

I will open a case shortly, but I must let you know that I will vote No Case on this one. And honestly I can't anticipate him receiving any punishment. 

 

This is because your opponent makes efforts to advance the game. This is evident through his attack with miner on your last row toward the end of your recording. 

 

The reason it took him so long to formulate an attack on your setup was because of your general. It was obvious that a majority of his bombs were up front, so if you were able to get past them with your general and lotto his back two rows, it could end in a disaster for him and you might have even found the flag. That's why he kept moving around with marshal- he couldn't let you through from your left side (likely his flag was there) and he wouldn't let you in the middle because it would interfere with his flag-hunting efforts.

 

Does this make sense?

Thank you for the reply and the open case Fairway. I figured MT would have issue with missing refusal screen before Defeat. If you-MT think no case then- no case.With the large advantage they had I feel 2 trades in 10 min is in-sufficient for advancing match but that is why you guys are here.  :) Most/ all appreciate the time and energy you all put in ! 

The second type of draw refusal is a no-progress draw and occurs in a game in which one or both sides have the potential to win but no improvement is being made by either side. If one player requests a tie, at any time in the game, and is refused, then it is the responsibility of the player who refused the tie to take the offensive and to try to advance the game toward a resolution. If he does this, then the draw situation is deemed over. If he does not, and also does not accept a second tie request ten minutes after the first one (see Article 3.4.2 on "Ten Minutes"), he will be subject to the penalties listed at Article 3.2 below.

3.1.3 Progress/Advancing the Game: As stated above, the burden to advance the game falls on the player refusing the draw after a tie request is made. An attack will often be evidence of this, but not always. For example, lottoing a low-level piece or two in an endgame situation may not be viewed as advancement. On the other hand, not attacking is usually evidence of non-advancement, but again not always. The player steadily pushing a multiple piece army to his opponent's side of the board may still be seen as advancing the game even without yet attacking. In summary, the MT expects to see the player who refuses a draw request to exhibit solid progress after refusing the tie request.


Edited by rgillis783, 16 March 2019 - 10:45 PM.


#126 Fairway

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Posted 16 March 2019 - 10:50 PM

Notice the "may" not. Your case is sort of an irregular because of your opponent's bombs structure, obvious open flag, and the fact that you had the 2nd highest piece. With these factors combined he could only afford to be but so aggressive for fear of slipping up and letting your general past. That's why he was so rigorous in blocking him off at all times. And that's why his attack was rather slow- he had to keep an eye or your general. But to me it seemed that he tried to advance the game as best as he could.

 

btw, case opened.


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Posted 16 March 2019 - 11:48 PM

Ok my position is --No= the  player had all their miners took no bombs. They controlled the center of the board with the Marshal plenty of work to do in the right lane but NO. Their colonel was over near my General but had several escape lanes open for that piece. They had an overwhelming advantage and did some meaning less moves. Let's not forget the 2 scouts doing nothing. I am pleased you noticed their open flag I hit it yesterday I think that is what was in my opponents head more then anything Fairway-- but what do I know. Oh I know- to attack and stop the dancing ! Lol this flipping game ! Should make for a quick decision I would hope. On this we can both agree then -fairway.  ;)

Notice the "may" not. Your case is sort of an irregular because of your opponent's bombs structure, obvious open flag, and the fact that you had the 2nd highest piece. With these factors combined he could only afford to be but so aggressive for fear of slipping up and letting your general past. That's why he was so rigorous in blocking him off at all times. And that's why his attack was rather slow- he had to keep an eye or your general. But to me it seemed that he tried to advance the game as best as he could.


Edited by rgillis783, 17 March 2019 - 12:17 AM.


#128 teklanika

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Posted 18 March 2019 - 01:54 AM

Reporting Austin18 for draw refusal, here are the relevant screenshots:

 

https://imgur.com/a/KSXmPwL

 

Yes, it was very early in the game. No, I don't know why some players refuse to attack in a game originally called L'Attaque !



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Posted 18 March 2019 - 02:52 AM

Hello, we will need a defeat screen to open up a case ^^


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#130 teklanika

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Posted 18 March 2019 - 03:13 AM

Sorry, I'll remember next time


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Posted 18 March 2019 - 05:10 PM

My own case:

**oups** draw refusal, 3-5-19 https://imgur.com/gallery/uDaeQg1

 

Pending admin action, player **oups** will have 113 points deducted from his rating and he will receive a warning letter. 13 points will be restored to GaryLShelton


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#132 GaryLShelton

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Posted 19 March 2019 - 05:20 AM

Hi,

I would like to report "Hallowdinner.be" for refusing a draw.

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Just a note, Janhunsler 1. Each time you want to show a refusal screen and you are using the new app as you are, you need to give us also a very quick graveyards screenshot. Refusal screen--graveyards screen. It helps. This time what you have given turns out to be adequate, but the graveyards will be necessary in some games. Fyi to you and everyone else reading this using the new app.

In this case the MT votes guilty. Hallowdinner.be will have 113 points deducted from his rating and he will receive a warning letter also for refusing a valid draw in a recent game with Janhunsler1, who will receive 13 points for the draw.

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The complete GS&F Rules can be found here: http://forum.strateg...rum-rules-2016/

Draw Refusal Rules, specifically, can be read here: http://forum.strateg...931#entry468931


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Posted 19 March 2019 - 07:11 AM

vaincoeur Draw refusal. As usual not sure if it meets criteria for no progress but this time it is a video showing my entire setup. Forgot to get final refusal--my bad. Two pieces were traded of equal value by my opponent 10 min has passed. B)

https://www.youtube....e=youtu.be&hd=1

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The MT votes on this as a no case claim. There was visible progress and non-visible refusal screens. We saw only the initial one but no more.

In the future we need to have pinpoint information on when the refusal screens and other important information occurs in the video. Otherwise it takes forever to wade through and find these things. Thank you.

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The complete GS&F Rules can be found here: http://forum.strateg...rum-rules-2016/

Draw Refusal Rules, specifically, can be read here: http://forum.strateg...931#entry468931


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Posted 19 March 2019 - 04:17 PM

And another draw refusal report....

https://imgur.com/a/5K1Mt8N

 

Against EFTHYM

 

Pending admin action, player efthym will have his rating reset to 100 and he will receive a warning letter for second degree draw refusal.


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#135 GaryLShelton

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Posted 21 March 2019 - 01:07 AM

Reporting Austin18 for draw refusal, here are the relevant screenshots:

https://imgur.com/a/KSXmPwL

Yes, it was very early in the game. No, I don't know why some players refuse to attack in a game originally called L'Attaque !

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Other than missing the defeat screen, your evidence was very good. For future reference we really only need the tie refusal screens themselves, two of them 10 minutes apart is enough to do the trick, along with the defeat screen.

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The complete GS&F Rules can be found here: http://forum.strateg...rum-rules-2016/

Draw Refusal Rules, specifically, can be read here: http://forum.strateg...931#entry468931


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Posted 21 March 2019 - 07:48 AM

Ruins the fun.
nightmare190 would only run in circles.
Penalize if applicable
 
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Thanks

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You need a defeat screen before we can open a case For more information see the draw refusal rules at the link below this post.

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The complete GS&F Rules can be found here: http://forum.strateg...rum-rules-2016/

Draw Refusal Rules, specifically, can be read here: http://forum.strateg...931#entry468931


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Posted 23 March 2019 - 08:39 PM

Opened

 

Hi,

 

Any update ?

 

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Posted 23 March 2019 - 11:36 PM

Hi,

 

Any update ?

 

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Hi, decision was reached over a week ago and the Action Request fulfilled. Apparently was never posted here, sorry. Should be all taken care of. Did you get your points back?


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#139 GaryLShelton

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Posted 24 March 2019 - 12:21 AM

Hi,

I would like to report BYZANTIN WARRIOR for draw refusal : https://imgur.com/a/RLQ8yfQ

Screenshots come from Iphone so a bit tricky to have timestamps at the same time but I tried my best !

Thanks

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Sorry, yes, this was dropped by me this time. It was decided in your favor and it appears to us the points have been adjusted on this matter in the past few days.

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The complete GS&F Rules can be found here: http://forum.strateg...rum-rules-2016/

Draw Refusal Rules, specifically, can be read here: http://forum.strateg...931#entry468931


#140 Powderkeg

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Posted 24 March 2019 - 02:04 AM

Request opening refusal case against Theon. 

 

He did not attack once the entire 18 minutes on game, shuffled around, did nothing to advance, and refused three requests for draw. 

 

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https://imgur.com/a/cob7ofU






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