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#61 rgillis783

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Posted 11 February 2019 - 06:58 PM

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The MT has reviewed this case and come away even stronger that this is a no case decision. Although the time was 12 minutes between refusal (3:21-3:33), there was the distinct loss of a scout, spy, and lieutenant in this time. These may just be seeking more information, but they qualify as progress to the MT. Another fact is that we cannot see all of Slavic Nation's pieces in the 2nd refusal screen. Therefore, one unknown piece of Slavic Nation is deep on the plaintiff's side of the board. We cannot assume he's not attacking soon.

In the rules you quote above it says that an opponent must make progress after refusing to draw. That's true but that progress might be construed without even a single attack. And your evidence might likewise be invalidated with the loss of a single piece. See Article 3.4.5 reprinted below.
 

Your correct about the LT. this occurred as I screen shot . Thank you -MT for review-- I think the added part on "come away even stronger" is a bit dramatic. The review is appreciated but I again disagree with your- MT judgment. This player was not mining pieces or progressing the match. No you can not see pieces in second screen -- no I am not supplying my set up. If the MT wants to bend over backwards for this player so be it . I find it interesting who the MT does like to use their judicial discretion/prerogative for and why. -_-


Edited by rgillis783, 11 February 2019 - 08:19 PM.


#62 GaryLShelton

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Posted 11 February 2019 - 07:13 PM

Ray, one piece lost might be construed by everyone to be non-progress if it is just a scout. If there are three pieces, then that's going to generally be considered progress, unless there is a clear draw in the game. But a clear draw cannot be determined from your side since your screens are redacted. So allowing the opponent his trials and errors is the only fair thing to do.

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Draw Refusal Rules, specifically, can be read here: http://forum.strateg...931#entry468931


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Posted 11 February 2019 - 07:56 PM

Is fine Gary. MT made a call-twice. I made post and it is in the rear-view mirror. Your-MTs thoughts -comments stand. Mine also !Twenty Five min total match over 14-15 min in draw refusal-now 3 pieces lost. You-MT insist that a player should now invest more time into a draw-refusal. Yeah I will invest another 15 min into my opponent who is not playing ! Not happening ! This player was afraid to play--full stop. They were afraid to lose miners to my Sgts or my own miners. I did my part ,took out 4 bombs and exposed their flag. They just wanted me to quit, which I did. Now you-MT will legitimize this type of play ?Once more this player made no solid progress to move match along--why ? Their flag is wide open ! Yes there is a big sign saying the flag here, because I put the time and effort in. My opponent NO ! They just wanted to keep dance going. Oh ya I included chat ---It did not seem to help move things along--in match or case --sad.  

Ray, one piece lost might be construed by everyone to be non-progress if it is just a scout. If there are three pieces, then that's going to generally be considered progress, unless there is a clear draw in the game. But a clear draw cannot be determined from your side since your screens are redacted. So allowing the opponent his trials and errors is the only fair thing to do.

3.1.1 Fair Decisions and Punishments: The number one goal of the MT in regards to draw refusals is to provide fair decisions to victims and fair punishments to violators. As draw refusals are one of the worst offenses of unsportsmanlike behavior on the site. 


Edited by rgillis783, 12 February 2019 - 10:01 AM.


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Posted 13 February 2019 - 12:25 AM

reporting player terence65 for draw refusal

https://imgur.com/a/3f7RZYR

terence65 will have his account reset to 100ELO as this is his second Draw Refusal in the past 12 months. juanazo_ will have 13 points restored for the loss.


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#65 JoshJesh

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Posted 14 February 2019 - 06:15 AM

Draw refusal against

RUDOLPH2001

 

https://imgur.com/a/oXuglZz

 

Edit: Accused is rudolph2001


Edited by Nortrom, 14 February 2019 - 09:46 AM.
accused's name


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Posted 14 February 2019 - 09:46 AM

Draw refusal against

RUDOLPH2001

 

https://imgur.com/a/oXuglZz

 

Edit: Accused is rudolph2001

Case will be opened.


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#67 Verti_GO

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Posted 14 February 2019 - 09:49 PM

Reporting player Ellys for draw refusal and abusive language.

https://imgur.com/a/EmORxNj

Although (s)he was 2 majors, a lieutenant and a sargent up, he didn't do any significant attack movement in more than 15 minutes. In fact, any piece was captured in that time. (S)he spent the time chasing a captain and moving probably a garbage piece in the opposite corner without any intention of making progress.

And insulting me every time I tried to explain the 10 minutes rule for draw refusals.


Edited by Verti_GO, 14 February 2019 - 10:05 PM.


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Posted 14 February 2019 - 10:05 PM

Reporting player Ellys for draw refusal and abusive language.

https://imgur.com/a/EmORxNj

Although (s)he was 2 majors, a lieutenant and a sargent up, he didn't do any significant attack movement in more than 15 minutes. In fact, any piece was captured in that time. Just chasing a captain and moving probably a garbage piece without any intention of making progress.

And insulting me every time I tried to explain the 10 minutes rule for draw refusals.

we'll open a case


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Posted 15 February 2019 - 01:06 PM

Reporting player Ellys for draw refusal and abusive language.

https://imgur.com/a/EmORxNj

Although (s)he was 2 majors, a lieutenant and a sargent up, he didn't do any significant attack movement in more than 15 minutes. In fact, any piece was captured in that time. (S)he spent the time chasing a captain and moving probably a garbage piece in the opposite corner without any intention of making progress.

And insulting me every time I tried to explain the 10 minutes rule for draw refusals.

 

Player Ellys will be permanently banned as we have enough reason to believe this is a previously banned player.

 

We'll come back at the draw refusal shortly, but it is looking good for you.


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Posted 15 February 2019 - 09:56 PM

Ellys

Time wasting

https://imgur.com/a/CV9TcAR



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Posted 15 February 2019 - 09:57 PM

Ellys

Time wasting

https://imgur.com/a/CV9TcAR

 

Case opened.



#72 GaryLShelton

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Posted 16 February 2019 - 12:59 PM

https://imgur.com/a/byQee1v
mastermind22
refused a draw and uses abusive language Moderator Note: accused name is properly Mastermind22

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This is a complaint for DR+ AB. In the first matter of draw refusal against Mastermind22 the MT finds no case. Späher played on and blew up his last piece on a bomb. If one wants to draw, then he should always quit the game and make his case to the MT. Anyone lottoing away his final piece cannot be said to be doing anything but trying to win the game.

In the abuse issue we are combining this complaint with another from BYZANTIN WARRIOR here:
http://forum.strateg...-2019/?p=471300
Our decision below will be reported both places.

Pending admin action player Mastermind22 will be banned for one month and he will receive a 4th degree warning letter.

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The complete GS&F Rules can be found here: http://forum.strateg...rum-rules-2016/

Draw Refusal Rules, specifically, can be read here: http://forum.strateg...931#entry468931


#73 GaryLShelton

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Posted 16 February 2019 - 01:42 PM

Reporting player Ellys for draw refusal and abusive language.https://imgur.com/a/EmORxNj

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Pending admin action Ellys will be permanently banned and player Verti_GO will have 13 points restored to him for the draw in their recent game.

Ellys
Time wasting
https://imgur.com/a/CV9TcAR

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Pending admin action player Ellys will be permanently banned.

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The complete GS&F Rules can be found here: http://forum.strateg...rum-rules-2016/

Draw Refusal Rules, specifically, can be read here: http://forum.strateg...931#entry468931


#74 Späher

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Posted 16 February 2019 - 02:50 PM

next time i will quit the game, did not knew that.

 

Thought i can hit a bomb and end the game this way.


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Posted 16 February 2019 - 07:24 PM

Draw refusal against

RUDOLPH2001

 

https://imgur.com/a/oXuglZz

 

Edit: Accused is rudolph2001

 

Player 'rudolph2001' was found guilty of draw refusal. Pending admin action, 113 will be deducted from his rating. JoshJesh will receive 13 points for the draw. 


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#76 garlick

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Posted 17 February 2019 - 04:22 AM

Hi,

Here is a draw refusal from Beginner : https://imgur.com/a/tFEbCcH

Thanks

Moderator note: the correct name of the accused is Begginner with 2g's.

Edited by GaryLShelton, 17 February 2019 - 05:03 PM.


#77 garlick

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Posted 17 February 2019 - 06:00 AM

Hi,

 

Another one  <_<, from Janhunsler  : https://imgur.com/a/H9ZMf5S

 

That's a 16 points draw refusal

 

Thanks


Edited by garlick, 17 February 2019 - 06:01 AM.


#78 GaryLShelton

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Posted 17 February 2019 - 01:31 PM

Here is somebody who did Draw Refusal. I have this video already in abusive time wasting.
 
Name: "FATBEAT" (I dont upper and lowercase)
https://www.youtube....eature=youtu.be

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For the draw refusal aspect of this case the MT finds the opponent not guilty. For a couple of reasons. A defeat screen is required and you won the game. Second, in many times during the game you could have won and didn't do so. Around the 4:30 mark when your major is on d2 and his one lieutenant is on c1; and for some reason he's looking to cancel with you on the other leg, why didn't you just cancel?

A more glaring episode is at the 9 minute mark when you've already nabbed one lieutenant with your major and you are actively evading his other lieutenant trying to again cancel with your lieutenant. Why? It was his last movable piece and you have instantly won. At that point he asked you for a draw and you refused. Had his case not been so hopeless, he actually had a draw case against you at that moment.

He, of course, proceeded to ATW & DC on you, which we acknowledged previously and punished. But both of those things could have been averted by you just winning the game at the 9 minute mark, or earlier at the 4:30 mark.

On the DR, again, no case from the MT is the verdict.

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The complete GS&F Rules can be found here: http://forum.strateg...rum-rules-2016/

Draw Refusal Rules, specifically, can be read here: http://forum.strateg...931#entry468931


#79 GaryLShelton

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Posted 17 February 2019 - 04:42 PM

Hi,

Here is a draw refusal from Beginner : https://imgur.com/a/tFEbCcH

Thanks

Moderator note: the correct name of the accused is Begginner with 2g's.

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A case will be opened.

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The complete GS&F Rules can be found here: http://forum.strateg...rum-rules-2016/

Draw Refusal Rules, specifically, can be read here: http://forum.strateg...931#entry468931


#80 GaryLShelton

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Posted 17 February 2019 - 04:42 PM

Hi,
 
Another one  <_<, from Janhunsler  : https://imgur.com/a/H9ZMf5S
 
That's a 16 points draw refusal
 
Thanks

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A case will be opened.

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The complete GS&F Rules can be found here: http://forum.strateg...rum-rules-2016/

Draw Refusal Rules, specifically, can be read here: http://forum.strateg...931#entry468931





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