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#41 OVERLORD

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Posted 04 February 2019 - 09:55 AM

Draw refusal against NORDICBAM

https://imgur.com/a/2QNfTeM

 

Case Opened.



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Posted 04 February 2019 - 05:14 PM

Reporting Slavic Nation for draw refusal. This player did use a scout and the spy during the refusal stage but that was it. Not sure if that is advancing game but you ( MT ) can decide. I did have some other screen shots of chat but they could not be found. User error but is a third time for me hmm...

 

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Posted 04 February 2019 - 05:33 PM

Reporting Slavic Nation for draw refusal. This player did use a scout and the spy during the refusal stage but that was it. Not sure if that is advancing game but you ( MT ) can decide. I did have some other screen shots of chat but they could not be found. User error but is a third time for me hmm...

 

https://imgur.com/a/JSoA07t

We'll open a case.


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Posted 04 February 2019 - 06:05 PM

Hi,

 

Another draw refusal :(

 

https://imgur.com/a/vLQeAno

 

Thanks !

 

 

Nortrom edit: Accused is Gornal

 

 

We'll open a case.

 

This player is found guilty and will be deducted 113 pts and be sent the warning letter.

Garlick will have 13 points restored for the draw.


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Posted 05 February 2019 - 12:11 PM

Draw refusal against NORDICBAM
https://imgur.com/a/2QNfTeM.


Moderator note: the correct case of the name of the accused is nordicbam.

 

 

Case Opened.

 

The accused is found guilty of draw refusal and will be deducted 113 points. JoshJesh will receive 13 points for the draw.

 

As this post was originally made in the abusive behavior thread, the MT does not find it necessary to take action on that matter.

 

Please note also that for strong cases, the time between refusals is important.


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Posted 05 February 2019 - 09:59 PM

Reporting Slavic Nation for draw refusal. This player did use a scout and the spy during the refusal stage but that was it. Not sure if that is advancing game but you ( MT ) can decide. I did have some other screen shots of chat but they could not be found. User error but is a third time for me hmm...

 

https://imgur.com/a/JSoA07t

The MT has ruled this as Not Guilty. The player looks like they were trying to make progress for the too short amount of time shown.



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Posted 06 February 2019 - 01:32 PM

The MT has ruled this as Not Guilty. The player looks like they were trying to make progress for the too short amount of time shown.

As always I appreciate the review of case. Unfortunately I can not agree with the MT. The reason given for not guilty verdict--too short of time ? More then 10 min standard was given along with final defeat screen time showing even more time. This is disappointing I would like more clarification on the MTs decision please. I would like to also point out that the MT just handed out a guilty verdict in Fairway's case against Jessi1985 for draw refusal showing only 7 min. of video with only one draw request being declined more then half way through video.  Slavic Nation made no attempt to use miners-no bombs defused. Very difficult for me to see that in 15 min the player did not remove any of my pieces-- not much advancement of match !

 

3.1.3 Progress/Advancing the Game: As stated above, the burden to advance the game falls on the player refusing the draw after a tie request is made. An attack will often be evidence of this, but not always. For example, lottoing a low-level piece or two in an endgame situation may not be viewed as advancement. On the other hand, not attacking is usually evidence of non-advancement, but again not always. The player steadily pushing a multiple piece army to his opponent's side of the board may still be seen as advancing the game even without yet attacking. In summary, the MT expects to see the player who refuses a draw request to exhibit solid progress after refusing the tie request.


Edited by rgillis783, 06 February 2019 - 02:02 PM.


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Posted 06 February 2019 - 02:06 PM

As always I appreciate the review of case. Unfortunately I can not agree with the MT. The reason given for not guilty verdict--too short of time ? More then 10 min standard was given along with final defeat screen time showing even more time. This is disappointing I would like more clarification on the MTs decision please. I would like to also point out that the MT just handed out a guilty verdict in Fairway's case against Jessi1985 for draw refusal showing only 7 min. of video with only one draw request being declined more then half way through video.  Slavic Nation made no attempt to use miners-no bombs defused. Very difficult for me to see that in 15 min the player did not remove any of my pieces-- not much advancement of match !

 

3.1.3 Progress/Advancing the Game: As stated above, the burden to advance the game falls on the player refusing the draw after a tie request is made. An attack will often be evidence of this, but not always. For example, lottoing a low-level piece or two in an endgame situation may not be viewed as advancement. On the other hand, not attacking is usually evidence of non-advancement, but again not always. The player steadily pushing a multiple piece army to his opponent's side of the board may still be seen as advancing the game even without yet attacking. In summary, the MT expects to see the player who refuses a draw request to exhibit solid progress after refusing the tie request.

 

Will open an appeal case.

 

I see that I personally did not judge this game well; the time elapsed is +- 14 min. In my assessment, I only saw +- 4 minutes.


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Posted 06 February 2019 - 02:36 PM

I do as always appreciate the honesty. Just for clarification I am more concerned with consistence. Thank you for opening an appeal professor .  :)

Will open an appeal case.

 

I see that I personally did not judge this game well; the time elapsed is +- 14 min. In my assessment, I only saw +- 4 minutes.


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Posted 06 February 2019 - 07:21 PM

https://imgur.com/a/byQee1v

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refused a draw and uses abusive language


Moderator Note: accused name is properly Mastermind22

Edited by GaryLShelton, 09 February 2019 - 03:23 PM.


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Posted 07 February 2019 - 03:11 PM

Here is somebody who did Draw Refusal. I have this video already in abusive time wasting.

 

Name: "FATBEAT" (I dont upper and lowercase)

https://www.youtube....eature=youtu.be


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Posted 07 February 2019 - 04:36 PM

https://imgur.com/a/byQee1v

 

mastermind22

 

refused a draw and uses abusive language

Will open a case

 

Here is somebody who did Draw Refusal. I have this video already in abusive time wasting.

 

Name: "FATBEAT" (I dont upper and lowercase)

https://www.youtube....eature=youtu.be

Will open a case, but a draw refusal requires a game to end by a surrender. Either way, I'll bring it up within the MT and see where it goes, as this player did not seem to be interested in ending the game.


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Posted 08 February 2019 - 12:02 AM

reporting player terence65 for draw refusal

https://imgur.com/a/3f7RZYR



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Posted 08 February 2019 - 02:56 PM

reporting player terence65 for draw refusal

https://imgur.com/a/3f7RZYR

We'll open a case.


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#55 KINEGIROS

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Posted 10 February 2019 - 04:31 PM

hi
i have to report jbmada
https://imgur.com/a/8uoO3j2

Moderator note: name of accused is JBmada

Edited by GaryLShelton, 10 February 2019 - 05:13 PM.


#56 GaryLShelton

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Posted 10 February 2019 - 08:32 PM

hi
i have to report jbmadahttps://imgur.com/a/8uoO3j2 Moderator note: name of accused is JBmada

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A case will be opened.

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The complete GS&F Rules can be found here: http://forum.strateg...rum-rules-2016/

Draw Refusal Rules, specifically, can be read here: http://forum.strateg...931#entry468931


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Posted 11 February 2019 - 12:59 PM

hi
i have to report jbmadahttps://imgur.com/a/8uoO3j2 Moderator note: name of accused is JBmada

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JBmada will have 113 points deducted from his rating and he will receive a 1st degree warning letter for draw refusal in his recent game against BYZANTIN WARRIOR, who will receive 13 points for the draw.

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The complete GS&F Rules can be found here: http://forum.strateg...rum-rules-2016/

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#58 rgillis783

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Posted 11 February 2019 - 03:51 PM

I do as always appreciate the honesty. Just for clarification I am more concerned with consistence. Thank you for opening an appeal professor .   :)

Nortrom, on 06 Feb 2019 - 08:06 AM, said:snapback.png

Will open an appeal case.

 

I see that I personally did not judge this game well; the time elapsed is +- 14 min. In my assessment, I only saw +- 4 minutes

Is there any further thoughts by MT on this appeal ?



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Posted 11 February 2019 - 03:57 PM

Two mods have casted their votes on the appeal case.


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Posted 11 February 2019 - 05:54 PM

As always I appreciate the review of case. Unfortunately I can not agree with the MT. The reason given for not guilty verdict--too short of time ? More then 10 min standard was given along with final defeat screen time showing even more time. This is disappointing I would like more clarification on the MTs decision please. I would like to also point out that the MT just handed out a guilty verdict in Fairway's case against Jessi1985 for draw refusal showing only 7 min. of video with only one draw request being declined more then half way through video.  Slavic Nation made no attempt to use miners-no bombs defused. Very difficult for me to see that in 15 min the player did not remove any of my pieces-- not much advancement of match !
 
3.1.3 Progress/Advancing the Game: As stated above, the burden to advance the game falls on the player refusing the draw after a tie request is made. An attack will often be evidence of this, but not always. For example, lottoing a low-level piece or two in an endgame situation may not be viewed as advancement. On the other hand, not attacking is usually evidence of non-advancement, but again not always. The player steadily pushing a multiple piece army to his opponent's side of the board may still be seen as advancing the game even without yet attacking. In summary, the MT expects to see the player who refuses a draw request to exhibit solid progress after refusing the tie request.

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The MT has reviewed this case and come away even stronger that this is a no case decision. Although the time was 12 minutes between refusal (3:21-3:33), there was the distinct loss of a scout, spy, and lieutenant in this time. These may just be seeking more information, but they qualify as progress to the MT. Another fact is that we cannot see all of Slavic Nation's pieces in the 2nd refusal screen. Therefore, one unknown piece of Slavic Nation is deep on the plaintiff's side of the board. We cannot assume he's not attacking soon.

In the rules you quote above it says that an opponent must make progress after refusing to draw. That's true but that progress might be construed without even a single attack. And your evidence might likewise be invalidated with the loss of a single piece. See Article 3.4.5 reprinted below.

3.4.5 No Changes in Proof: Keep in mind that any changes in the situation of your game during the evidentiary period, even to the loss of a single piece, may invalidate all of your proof.



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The complete GS&F Rules can be found here: http://forum.strateg...rum-rules-2016/

Draw Refusal Rules, specifically, can be read here: http://forum.strateg...931#entry468931





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