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#241 GaryLShelton

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Posted 14 May 2019 - 11:28 PM

I would like to report 20l9 (lower case "L" after digit 0 and before digit 9). I offered draw twice, more than 10 minutes apart, and both times he refused despite making no change in position. The screenshots are here:

 

https://drive.google...cKkvAwMAzbU_Lb3

 

The timestamps are displayed in the bottom right corner. Please add 13 points to my account, and take appropriate measures against 20l9 .

 

Strange game.  Looks like he could have pressed his advantage for the win but chose not to.  A case will be opened.



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Posted 15 May 2019 - 05:10 PM

Strange game. Looks like he could have pressed his advantage for the win but chose not to. A case will be opened.


No, he couldn't win. His marshal got trapped in the middle lane (bombs at the top, spy at the bottom), he couldn't advance anything on the left lane (his bomb and my marshal blocked it), and he apparently bombed the right lane, too. It is amazing he got so much advantage in the beginning by lottoing with his marshal, but then got it trapped. I can understand why, after taking so much risk, it was hard to accept the draw.

Edited by SQA, 15 May 2019 - 05:21 PM.

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#243 JoshJesh

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Posted 15 May 2019 - 11:05 PM

another draw refusal, this time against Dominique1234

https://imgur.com/a/235yptx



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Posted 15 May 2019 - 11:43 PM

In my defense:

JoshJesh was incredibly stalling. Earlier on in the game already pushing for a draw, but then game slowly progressed. He kept waiting at least 15 seconds for every move. I wanted to try to shufftle my pieces, so he could forget were my marshal was. But if every move takes over 15 seconds... thats a long time before to shufftle pieces, espescially if oppenent tries to make as many repeatitive moves as possible. In the end he wasnt even moving pieces anymore, just waiting out the time to report me. In my opinion, waiting out the time/stalling, is not giving the other chance to make progress, also no fair game.

So I thought: "fine then, I'll take the penalty, if a player wants to play like that." (I had never heard of this report thing before. I still wanted to try to win.)


Edited by dominique1234, 16 May 2019 - 01:18 AM.


#245 GaryLShelton

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Posted 16 May 2019 - 12:47 AM

(I had never heard of this report thing before.)

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dominique1234, first of all welcome to the forum. We're glad you have found us. The forum is a good source of lots of Stratego talk with input from many interesting writers. I invite you to study the rules of the online game which can be found most easily at the link to them at the bottom of any of my posts.

Under the circumstances of your arrival here I especially suggest you read the rules on draw refusal itself, which are also linked at the bottom of my posts.

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#246 dominique1234

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Posted 16 May 2019 - 01:28 AM

I had read rules about draw refusal, but this report topic is newer than that. Though in my opinion 10 minutes stalling is not 10 minutes time to see if game progesses. He stalled every move for 15 seconds to diminish the time and in the end waited for whole minutes, which you can see in his buffertime. If I had had 10 whole minutes to try something, I would have accepted draw. Fair play comes from both sides, not one.



#247 GaryLShelton

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Posted 16 May 2019 - 01:58 AM

I had read rules about draw refusal, but this report topic is newer than that. Though in my opinion 10 minutes stalling is not 10 minutes time to see if game progesses. He stalled every move for 15 seconds to diminish the time and in the end waited for whole minutes, which you can see in his buffertime. If I had had 10 whole minutes to try something, I would have accepted draw. Fair play comes from both sides, not one.

 

Actually this topic was created at the same time as the rules back in 2014, but it has seen yearly renewals to help with archiving things.

 

In the newest version of the GS&F rules (2016) it is admitted as a possibility that you, the draw refuser, might very well confuse your opponent on the location of your power piece, and so you are allowed an opportunity to do this.  However, we only give 10 minutes for this kind of movement because that's really all it should take.  You claim he used 15 seconds every move to stall.  If you want to prove this point you will need video evidence.  The current standard is 90% of moves for 5 minutes crosses the offense line there. If he did do this, he could be convicted with evidence.  If he didn't do this, or you don't have proof, then no.  It must be said at this point that he didn't stall the game with his buffer as he only used from 2:51 to 1:40 of his time--probably crunching screenshots...which is quite reasonable.  Without miners in your arsenal, once a draw refusal is offered to you your only options are to either confuse him or lotto for an open flag.  And in any case and in all instances, once you are offered a draw refusal it is your job to either advance the game or accept the draw.  You only have 10 minutes to do so.  

 

Good luck in the future. :)



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Draw Refusal Rules, specifically, can be read here: http://forum.strateg...931#entry468931


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Posted 16 May 2019 - 10:12 AM

I would like to report barakobama who refused to accept draw offers twice, at least 10 minutes apart, with no change whatsoever in the position. The screenshots are here:

 

https://drive.google...KhYaQZX4_1hIV10

 

The timestamps are printed in the bottom right corner. Please restore 14 points that I lost, and put barakobama on the list of the violators.

 

Pending admin action, player barakobama will have 113 points deducted from his rating and he will receive a warning letter. SQA will get 13 points for the draw.


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#249 dominique1234

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Posted 17 May 2019 - 12:02 AM

Actually this topic was created at the same time as the rules back in 2014, but it has seen yearly renewals to help with archiving things.

In the newest version of the GS&F rules (2016) it is admitted as a possibility that you, the draw refuser, might very well confuse your opponent on the location of your power piece, and so you are allowed an opportunity to do this. However, we only give 10 minutes for this kind of movement because that's really all it should take. You claim he used 15 seconds every move to stall. If you want to prove this point you will need video evidence. The current standard is 90% of moves for 5 minutes crosses the offense line there. If he did do this, he could be convicted with evidence. If he didn't do this, or you don't have proof, then no. It must be said at this point that he didn't stall the game with his buffer as he only used from 2:51 to 1:40 of his time--probably crunching screenshots...which is quite reasonable. Without miners in your arsenal, once a draw refusal is offered to you your only options are to either confuse him or lotto for an open flag. And in any case and in all instances, once you are offered a draw refusal it is your job to either advance the game or accept the draw. You only have 10 minutes to do so.

Good luck in the future. :)


Of course I have no prove. Should have made a video, but it's not like I was planning this. My word against his, assuming he denies this.
I just wanted to give my version of events. I guess I'll know what to do next time.
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#250 SQA

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Posted 18 May 2019 - 01:50 AM

Reporting KylerMurray for clear draw rejection:

 

https://drive.google...hndVugTnLD6uG2I

 

The timestamps are displayed in the bottom right corner. This was a clear draw, so the time limit is 5 minutes.



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Posted 18 May 2019 - 02:20 AM

Reporting Danny Ocean  for rejecting two draw offers:

 

https://drive.google...08Z2UrOdOso0b4-

 

The timestamps are displayed in the bottom right corner.



#252 GaryLShelton

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Posted 18 May 2019 - 05:10 AM

Reporting Danny Ocean  for rejecting two draw offers:

 

https://drive.google...08Z2UrOdOso0b4-

 

The timestamps are displayed in the bottom right corner.

 

A case will be opened.



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Draw Refusal Rules, specifically, can be read here: http://forum.strateg...931#entry468931


#253 GaryLShelton

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Posted 18 May 2019 - 05:15 AM

Reporting KylerMurray for clear draw rejection:

 

https://drive.google...hndVugTnLD6uG2I

 

The timestamps are displayed in the bottom right corner. This was a clear draw, so the time limit is 5 minutes.

 

A case will be opened.  



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The complete GS&F Rules can be found here: http://forum.strateg...rum-rules-2016/

Draw Refusal Rules, specifically, can be read here: http://forum.strateg...931#entry468931


#254 Fairway

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Posted 23 May 2019 - 11:50 PM

Reporting Danny Ocean  for rejecting two draw offers:

 

https://drive.google...08Z2UrOdOso0b4-

 

The timestamps are displayed in the bottom right corner.

Sorry that this was not posted. Five days ago the request was sent to ban him for a week, pending admin action.


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#255 Fairway

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Posted 23 May 2019 - 11:55 PM

Reporting KylerMurray for clear draw rejection:

 

https://drive.google...hndVugTnLD6uG2I

 

The timestamps are displayed in the bottom right corner. This was a clear draw, so the time limit is 5 minutes.

He's guilty, one week ban pending admin action.


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#256 Cheburek

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Posted 25 May 2019 - 06:44 PM

Reporting SFIG for refusing draw:

 

https://drive.google...NmCtL8BX-1jr0Pr



#257 Fairway

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Posted 25 May 2019 - 06:47 PM

Reporting SFIG for refusing draw:

 

https://drive.google...NmCtL8BX-1jr0Pr

Hello, well documented report, thank you for that: case opened.


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#258 arioch

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Posted 26 May 2019 - 06:45 AM

Draw refusal from Happy Boy:

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Posted 27 May 2019 - 11:55 AM

Reporting SFIG for refusing draw:

 

https://drive.google...NmCtL8BX-1jr0Pr

SFIG will be banned for a week for Draw refusal in QA.

Draw refusal from Happy Boy:

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Case opened.



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Posted 27 May 2019 - 12:08 PM

I would like to report 20l9 (lower case "L" after digit 0 and before digit 9). I offered draw twice, more than 10 minutes apart, and both times he refused despite making no change in position. The screenshots are here:

 

https://drive.google...cKkvAwMAzbU_Lb3

 

The timestamps are displayed in the bottom right corner. Please add 13 points to my account, and take appropriate measures against 20l9 .

20I9 is Guilty of DR and will have 113 points deducted. 13 points will be restored to SQA






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