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#1 Napoleon 2ème

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Posted 12 October 2018 - 08:40 PM

Hello guys

 

I wanted to start this topic to talk about Stratego in Switzerland; as most of you probably know, I would like to promote this amazing game in Switzerland too. My school organise 3 days where students can organise activities and my idea was to make stratego. Some of my friends and teachers said they would enjoy this and will maybe register online.

 

The problem is that the activity must be accepted by the director, every year the activites must be connected as much as possible with a theme to be accepted, this year, the theme is "Orient"

 

So, as you can immagine it's quite hard to find a connection between stratego and orient, would you have any suggestion to make my activity possible?

 

My idea at the moment is to make this title :

 

"From Persia to Holland, the evolution of chess"

 

Is this a good idea?

Thank you !

 

 


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Posted 12 October 2018 - 10:03 PM

It is perfect you ask us this as there is a wonderful answer. You may have never known but Stratego originated from a Chinese board game called Jungle. Here is a link to a game very similar to Jungle but NOT the original: https://en.m.wikiped...g/wiki/Luzhanqi

This is a link describing the Chinese predecessor of Stratego with the game called Jungle: http://www.ultrastra...com/history.php

Here is the Wikipedia page for Jungle, the first game of Chinese Stratego: https://en.m.wikiped...le_(board_game)

I hope you can come up with a convincing argument with this.

Good luck!
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Posted 12 October 2018 - 10:11 PM

I just read that Jungle is sometimes referred to as 'Oriental Chess'. Maybe you could have a small history of the game with a visual of Jungle and then how it evolved to Stratego.

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Posted 12 October 2018 - 10:50 PM

Oh wow, very nice, didn't knew this, that's perfect !

 

Yes, the idea was to make a small introduction and make a small tournament, then people would start knowing and maybe enjoying Stratego. Many thanks for the links, I will check them as soon as possible.

 

I will try to find a new title then :D

 

And second thing, I have to find some stratego boards^^ which is another hard thing to do^^


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Posted 12 October 2018 - 11:06 PM

Ebay? Not sure if the shipping would be much. To be honest, I don't know what kind of skills you have but creating your own might be cheapest. Also, international checkers board is a 10×10 board. Don't get regular checkers and international checkers confused. Regular checkers is 8×8 which is a quick game board and chess board.
As for the pieces, not sure if you have access to a 3d printer but if you do and you can find or make cheap boards, creating pieces with a 3d printer may work well for you. These are just a few ideas, you are smart, I'm sure you'll figure it out.

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Posted 13 October 2018 - 10:18 AM

Well, every option must be analysed, I will check what I can do :D


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Posted 13 October 2018 - 12:03 PM

Wogomite not sure what you do IRL but education may have opening for ya. Here in the states they used to address what young Napo's school directors is doing with themes as cross curriculum . If I recall correctly ?



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Posted 15 October 2018 - 12:02 PM

It is perfect you ask us this as there is a wonderful answer. You may have never known but Stratego originated from a Chinese board game called Jungle. Here is a link to a game very similar to Jungle but NOT the original: https://en.m.wikiped...g/wiki/Luzhanqi

This is a link describing the Chinese predecessor of Stratego with the game called Jungle: http://www.ultrastra...com/history.php

Here is the Wikipedia page for Jungle, the first game of Chinese Stratego: https://en.m.wikiped...le_(board_game)

I hope you can come up with a convincing argument with this.

Good luck!

To add a little history. I think in Europe France was first with L'attaque. Which is probably inspired by the Chinese game. I think Stratego is inspired by L'attaque. Good luck with your project Napo jr.! :) 


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Posted 15 October 2018 - 01:36 PM

Don is correct, I was looking for a L'attaque board to purchase and cannot find one anywhere. It's almost identical to Stratego except for the lakes and lanes. Maybe a few piece differences also, not sure.

https://www.google.c...=j2qXFZQ9MZW81M

If anyone has one, good'ol Dennis Morx Baas will be that guy.
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Posted 15 October 2018 - 02:04 PM

I found the units for L'Attaque. There are only 72 (36 per side).
http://imgur.com/gallery/en3kMkW
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Posted 15 October 2018 - 04:24 PM

I found the units for L'Attaque. There are only 72 (36 per side).
http://imgur.com/gallery/en3kMkW

 

Interesting: so 1 major, 1 miner and 2 bombs less. So considerably more lotto'ing (bombs are 25% less common), and miners are perhaps worth a little less (20% more miners per bomb, need only to defuse 3 bombs to guarantee to have opened the flag).

 

The two single column center lanes will also make a difference but not sure how it influences strategy. Anyone with an idea? But this game should be very much like modern Stratego.


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Posted 15 October 2018 - 05:16 PM

At first glance, the piece directly behind the middle lake would be a crucial area of defense. Due to the small movement area in the middle two lanes, it seems a defensive area there would be common although finding a little information there would be beneficial but would need to be followed by a strong attack on the sides. I assume a majority of the skilled attacking would happen on the sides which may pull the middle defense to one or the other leaving the big battle in the middle two lanes for later on in the game. Of course this may not be the case every time but I would assume a large amount of games would look like this.

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Posted 15 October 2018 - 05:17 PM

If anyone can find a link of purchase for L'Attaque, please don't hesitate to post it here.

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Posted 15 October 2018 - 05:21 PM

Yes guys, thanks for helpin me !

 

So if I understand well...

 

Jungle (China) - Chess (Persia) - L'attaque (France) - Stratego (Holland) ?


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Posted 15 October 2018 - 05:27 PM

If anyone can find a link of purchase for L'Attaque, please don't hesitate to post it here.


https://www.ebay.com...HoAAOSwpFtaxTC2

Also easy to just print your own board, put on cardboard and use regular Stratego pieces.
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Posted 15 October 2018 - 05:28 PM

Yes guys, thanks for helpin me !
 
So if I understand well...
 
Jungle (China) - Chess (Persia) - L'attaque (France) - Stratego (Holland) ?


I doubt there is a chess link.

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Posted 15 October 2018 - 05:35 PM

I agree with T-Rex, I don't think Persian chess is related. Chess is an entirely different game altogether. But I did find one L'Attaque board for sale...if you want to pay 695 British pounds!!! Yikes!
http://www.baggottan...rd-game/288056

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Posted 15 October 2018 - 05:38 PM

Yes T-Rex, I thought of creating my own also. You could also use a 10×10 checker board, cover up an entire row to make a 9x10 board. Then use checker pieces to create the proper lakes and use the correct amount of L'Attaque pieces from a Stratego set. This may be what I end up doing. I'll see if I can post a picture of it later if I do this.

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Posted 15 October 2018 - 05:56 PM

Yes T-Rex, I thought of creating my own also. You could also use a 10×10 checker board, cover up an entire row to make a 9x10 board. Then use checker pieces to create the proper lakes and use the correct amount of L'Attaque pieces from a Stratego set. This may be what I end up doing. I'll see if I can post a picture of it later if I do this.

https://www.boardgamesmaker.com/
They will print on demand, any size, with bi-fold or quad-fold options. Just measure your regular Stratego board and order it to scale.

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Posted 15 October 2018 - 05:58 PM

Yes guys, thanks for helpin me !
 
So if I understand well...
 
Jungle (China) - Chess (Persia) - L'attaque (France) - Stratego (Holland) ?


Just read Wikipedia: L’attaque is probably the original game, the Chinese/Philippine games are 20th century derivatives. So any Asian connections are a bit tenuous.

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