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#121 tobermoryx

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Posted 28 April 2018 - 09:34 PM

Stratego.com has thousands of players. Gravon has about 60.

So comparisons between huge corporate chocolate manufacturers are not useful.

Maybe compare McDonald's with a guy who has a burger van and you get a better idea how silly it is to argue how one is a threat to the other
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Posted 28 April 2018 - 09:36 PM

McDonalds still doesn't let the burger truck sell in their parking lot.
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#123 Napoleon 1er

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Posted 28 April 2018 - 09:53 PM

Let's imagine there was a chocolate company, Cadburys, and our fictional Brain is a staff member there.

 

What if Brain started going around, sending emails and flyers to people, advertising Mars (a competiting chocolate company)?

... as you may know in Switzerland we are the champions of chocolates .... Lindt ia a great brand and Cailler another one ... neither one nor the other will wish death to the other ... they know that as they are both promoting chocolate in general this is going to be profitable for both ... same thing with coke and pepsi .... neither one would like the other to die ... they know they are both promoting the same good cause so the existence of the other is benefiting both ... idem with mcdonalds and burger king ... idem with stratego.com and gravon ...

... by the way cadbury is really a bad example when you talk to Swiss people ...lol :)


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Posted 28 April 2018 - 10:01 PM

MT members: Would it be an idea to make separate threads for each individual MT candidate? I'm also fine with the current ways, but I feel especially napoleon and oracle don't really get the chance to shine as they aren't being asked many questions.


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Posted 28 April 2018 - 10:28 PM

@Don_Homer: "The only thing I did for the website is host a tournament with Zach (Manning2Cruz), back in 2013."

 

All I was trying to say is that the statement above is very much misleading.

 

I think that point was clearly made by the amount of  examples I gave. I hope the audience agrees with me here.

 

Also you started to attack me back without reading what I wrote, which is a bad quality,  but to your credit, you did rectify when you saw what I said was right.

 

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Posted 29 April 2018 - 01:52 AM

"Lindt is a great brand and Cailler another one ..​"

 

Sorry Napoleon but I'll have to go with Neuhaus......................which is Belgian!


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Posted 29 April 2018 - 12:33 PM

The gravon critism of you Morx and US (maybe Astros?) is not well grounded I believe. I did never have a (formal) function at gravon. The only thing I did for the website is host a tournament with Zach (Manning2Cruz), back in 2013. I played many games there but I dont see a problem with that. I also played already several tournaments on this website (for example Pyramid League, WCO, WTT, Pro tournament).

 

 

No, Im not misleading or lying. I talked about gravon on this forum and responded on questions yes. Where did I deny this or say different? Where did I lie? nowhere! But please answer the question.

 

Morx Im really sorry for you that you are full with grudges against me, gravon and others. Its not good for your mental health. 

 

 

@Don_Homer: "The only thing I did for the website is host a tournament with Zach (Manning2Cruz), back in 2013."

 

All I was trying to say is that the statement above is very much misleading.

 

I think that point was clearly made by the amount of  examples I gave. I hope the audience agrees with me here.

 

Also you started to attack me back without reading what I wrote, which is a bad quality,  but to your credit, you did rectify when you saw what I said was right.

 

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@Morx: I put the context of this statement above. You were using the word ''lying'' which is total nonsense. I like to invite players to tournaments. I do it for offline tournaments and also did it for your latest WCO on this website. As said before I like to promote the game of stratego and I was glad there was another tournament at gravon after 5 years. 


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#128 Napoleon 1er

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Posted 29 April 2018 - 01:48 PM

"Lindt is a great brand and Cailler another one ..​"

 

Sorry Napoleon but I'll have to go with Neuhaus......................which is Belgian!

Noooooooooooo .... sir ... how can you say that? ..... unbelievable .... I give you a last chance to correct your post .... what if we compromize on Toblerone?

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Posted 29 April 2018 - 02:27 PM

Noooooooooooo .... sir ... how can you say that? ..... unbelievable .... I give you a last chance to correct your post .... what if we compromize on Toblerone?
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#130 tobermoryx

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Posted 29 April 2018 - 02:53 PM

Point me to where on the forum someone has asked a direct question of Morx & Nortrom where they did not answer.

 

First of all, tobermoryx, my post was strictly about my doubts concerning only don_homer, so the inclusion of other candidates has no relevance to my post; but, if you want to ask me to address such a critical light to other candidates, by all means, be my guest.

 

Again, don_homer was asked in question #2, "What do you feel you would bring to the MT?He clearly fails to understand this very simple question and starts with an irrelevant reply. Just because he wrote something does not mean he has answered the question. When the meaning of the question is further substantiated by asking about don_homer's limited experienced, compared with a highly seasoned and experienced individual, don_homer is clearly confused and still does not answer correctly.

 

@Morx and @Nortrom–tobermoryx has prompted me to ask a question of you both, therefore, would you please respond to this?

 

It is my understanding that both of you were Moderators at the Stratego related forum formerly known as Metaforge (I never knew of this place as my online time with Stratego is within very recent years). First, can you briefly explain what were your duties and responsibilities as Metaforge's MT; and then, can you explain how those responsibilities relate to the MT function here in this forum?

 

@tobermoryx

 

This is quite a judgmental phrase, tobermoryx, as I don't ever recall a single time that I have ever referred to either individual as being one of my heroes. Why did you say this, and what is your point? (Clearly, you have some negative view I would like to understand). The question is in bold so that you will understand I have asked you this and I would appreciate an answer.

 

All your responses to Nortrom and Morx are praise and agreement. You act as a cheerleader for them.

 

With regard to what they would do in the MT, Nortrom and Morx simply state their CVs. They do not explain what they are going to do in the role at all.


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Posted 29 April 2018 - 03:13 PM

I've stated my exerpience and how I intend on using those. In the future of MT (for example) I've mentioned what kind of things I'd like to improve.
 
You're free to ask questions too, tober. KMC asked about my past experiences. Speaking of questions, did you see DH's awesome attempt at answering KMC's questions? or perhaps the way he tried to weasel out of his claims about Morx lying?
 
Speaking of questions, perhaps you could set my request/suggestion in motion http://forum.strateg...ssion/?p=453117

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#132 Napoleon 1er

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Posted 29 April 2018 - 03:37 PM

 

I've stated my exerpience and how I intend on using those. In the future of MT (for example) I've mentioned what kind of things I'd like to improve.
 
You're free to ask questions too, tober. KMC asked about my past experiences. Speaking of questions, did you see DH's awesome attempt at answering KMC's questions? or perhaps the way he tried to weasel out of his claims about Morx lying?
 
Speaking of questions, perhaps you could set my request/suggestion in motion http://forum.strateg...ssion/?p=453117

 

everybody recognize your long experience and ISF knowledge but nobody knows what you concretely intend to implement in the rules for example against double chasing .... you have been pushing MT to do something hundreds of times but you never explained what you want to do, what is the rule change that you propose ... this is what people are looking for. Agreeing to change is one thing ... proposing and implementing it is another one...


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Posted 29 April 2018 - 03:51 PM

It's actually very simple Napoleon.

 

" but you never explained what you want to do" I want to enforce the anti double/multiple chasing. We never got to the 'how' part as the MT back then couldn't even come to a decision whether to enforce it or not.

 

Also note that it seems we are looking for new MT members, not looking for new plans / ideas. Let's not confuse those two.


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#134 KissMyCookie

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Posted 29 April 2018 - 04:00 PM

All your responses to Nortrom and Morx are praise and agreement.

 

Are you certain about this, tobermoryx? I would like to see the voluminous output of my posts responding to Nortrom and Morx directly...this is a bit of news for me. The fact that any point of view I have aligns with someone else's, and that I voice my opinion in a related thread, does not mean that I am responding directly to them or that I am going to be their most ardent supporter.

 

Please, also provide my "cheerleading" posts, as you have described them.



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Posted 29 April 2018 - 04:08 PM

Are you certain about this, tobermoryx? I would like to see the voluminous output of my posts responding to Nortrom and Morx directly...this is a bit of news for me. The fact that any point of view I have aligns with someone else's, and that I voice my opinion in a related thread, does not mean that I am responding directly to them or that I am going to be their most ardent supporter.

 

Please, also provide my "cheerleading" posts, as you have described them.

 

It may have slipped your attention KissMy..., but I have made a very similar observation about your behavior HERE.

 

I am also asking you a direct question in there, which as of yet remains unanswered.


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Posted 29 April 2018 - 04:11 PM

Im awfully sorry mr Dislike..... but i LIKE your posts :)


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Posted 29 April 2018 - 04:29 PM

It's actually very simple Napoleon.

 

" but you never explained what you want to do" I want to enforce the anti double/multiple chasing. We never got to the 'how' part as the MT back then couldn't even come to a decision whether to enforce it or not.

 

Also note that it seems we are looking for new MT members, not looking for new plans / ideas. Let's not confuse those two.

...you stay it is very simple but you still do not propose something. You made a poll long time ago which got 20 people voting in agreement to do something, this includes MT. The problem was that when we made clear proposals of what kind of penalty should apply to double chasers nobody got any idea how to do that. This was mainly the reason why nothing happened ... just because the community has never been able to agree on a penalty .... and you were the champion for saying yes yes do it but never gave any support. Now what is it concretely that you want to implement as penalty for double chasers knowing that you cannot count on programming changes that would integrate anti double chase directly in the software? ... I guess if you want to become the ISF-leader within MT the least you can do is to inform the community of your intentions with regard to double chasing or draw refusals. What prooves us that after you would be selected for MT then something will change with double chasing?


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Posted 29 April 2018 - 04:47 PM

What I want is simple. I didn't mean the way to get there is simple.

 

It's not my duty to come up with penalty schemes as non-MT member. What should have done is:

 

1. Make a decision whether it will be enforced yes / no. If yes, go to 2.

2. Determine when a multiple-chasing case would be considered proven (presumably the hardest part)

3. Think of some sort of penalty scheme

 

4. Keep improving point 2

What happened is, no actual decision was made whether it will be enforced or not. No yes means details are pointless. You don't build a wall before the foundation has been put in place either.

 

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I actually have some questions for you, too, Napoleon.

 

- Are you aware of the fact that DH has, on several occasions, jumped to conclusions only to later admit he didn't even bother reading the actual content?

- How do you feel about DH's attempt to weasel out of a false accusation towards morx? 

- Why do you support a candidate who doesn't have one single concrete plan? yet you keep asking me those questions exclusively?

- What makes you think DH would make a good mod?

- Do you really want another lonello in the form of DH?


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#139 KissMyCookie

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Posted 29 April 2018 - 05:16 PM

This post may have been decent if most parenthesed [sic] stuff would have been left out.

 

Fair enough, dislike.

 

The fact that you criticize the posting because the writer used parenthesis is absurd. The material provided in the parenthetic parameters further illustrates and solidifies their point of view–they are not superfluous sentences, but decidedly essential when making one's point of view clearer for anyone wanting to know better his candidacy platform.

 

The fact that you wrote what you did distinguishes itself as an attack without basis or context to the related complaint–the use of parenthesis. Thus, I conclude you have a personal bias against this person and it makes your remarks less credible.



#140 Napoleon 1er

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Posted 29 April 2018 - 05:49 PM

What I want is simple. I didn't mean the way to get there is simple.

 

It's not my duty to come up with penalty schemes as non-MT member. What should have done is:

 

1. Make a decision whether it will be enforced yes / no. If yes, go to 2.

2. Determine when a multiple-chasing case would be considered proven (presumably the hardest part)

3. Think of some sort of penalty scheme

 

4. Keep improving point 2

What happened is, no actual decision was made whether it will be enforced or not. No yes means details are pointless. You don't build a wall before the foundation has been put in place either.

 

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I actually have some questions for you, too, Napoleon.

 

- Are you aware of the fact that DH has, on several occasions, jumped to conclusions only to later admit he didn't even bother reading the actual content?

- How do you feel about DH's attempt to weasel out of a false accusation towards morx? 

- Why do you support a candidate who doesn't have one single concrete plan? yet you keep asking me those questions exclusively?

- What makes you think DH would make a good mod?

- Do you really want another lonello in the form of DH?

Regarding the multiple chasing I'm happy to see your 4 points procedure. For your info the decision to proceed has been taken, yes we want to do it. But then we remained plugged on the 2nd and 3rd ... how to evidence it and what penalty to apply. Again I'm happy to see you recognize this to be a difficult task ... in reality it is extremely difficult so any good idea or proposal coming from a specialist like you is more than welcome ... still in your post above you do not propose something.

 

With regard to Don Homer my first vote goes to him because of the following:

- He is dutch

- he has good command of english

- he is an experienced stratego player and is used to live tournaments so has good knowledge of ISF rules

- he did not hesitate to defend MT during the "PB clique attack" which shows he is courageous

- my perception from him is that he would be very "compatible" with current MT

- he is motivated and has availability

 

now you and morx do also have the first 3 and the 6th points above but not points 4 and 5 above

 

now you are right he should also explain his plan and intentions and i guess the best thing is for each candidate is to answer the questionnaire prepared by TheOptician.

And you are right as well we do not want another Lonello. Don Homer is not another Lonello or what makes you think he is one? .. what about you .. are you another Lonello?


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