It's been a week and what we've heared in that week is that the PB-clique has been very actively and deviously behind the community's back trying to persuade good members to go warmonger with them... make a lot of hay... in PM bilaterals, and with zero transparancy. That only gave them current very poor results to show for.
This while MT remained cool, soft, sweet and full of peace again. We asked Admin not to act upon them and did again keep all the warmongering open for full transparancy. And we were not minding that after our announcement last month we would be launching a survey, several other surveys popped up. Not filling in any of the surveys ourselves ofcourse (while PB-clique ofcourse filled in to the max), nor persuading anyone behind anyone's back to do something.
Mind that some of the normal regular members of this forum approached us, even about excusing themselves for maybe some lower ratings they were about to give on some of the questions. But then finding out they had not been filling in the MT survey at all, and totally unaware there are several around. Also saying one to fill in was quite enough too, which ofcourse we totally understand. This is the reaction I wrote the other day, which is what we knew we would get ourselves into in 2017 already:
In the MT survey there is no rating of individual members of the MT. There are a couple of reasons, one of them is there is in a good team always one outspoken on the one end and one on the other end, with 3 in between. Cutting out the extremes, if you will, will only weaken the team. It is important that all of the community is covered. That means also 'the wings'.
It's also not necessarily the same ones who are on opposing sides. For one, I may think strongly on the one subject because I have a lot of experience in that, but will think timide on many others when another will have the experience. History shows we got a perfect average with that.
Currently there is a distorted image as the survey comes out right when we've had 3 MT-members victimized in warmongering, and I am just the next, 4th. But I know the plays and ploys, so I speak up. The ones who know the real story as well call me brave for that, and were insisting I speak up. I knew however 90% of the community could care less. Still I did it. But you belong to the 90% and it's hard to cover decades of warmongering, where they are coming from, what the ultimate goals are, in few words. Down to it, they want Gravon off the face of the earth. MT is independant, as also Jumbo is on the matter.
Anyhow, we actually had a discussion in MT by the end of last year to test what you describe. By individuality. I said yes to elections but no to make it a popularity test. You see, if we do our job right we do not satisfy either side. We will always be unpopular, get bad ratings... but then actually do our job really well. The 90% that is satisfied will always be less eager to spend the time filling in these forms. The 5% left and 5% right that are both angry because we are impartial so do not do as they please will however be very rallied up, and vote NO. This is why the no-camp and negative campaigning always wins, sadly.
Point is, we must not have the 5 most popular members. It needs to be a perfectly balanced Moderating Team. That is what we have been establishing. A mix of all, including countries, and best of all, no hidden agenda's, no bagage of the old. We have seen what some people always bring for warmongering. It was a Dutch invention in the '90's perhaps but take a look at the Greek forum and you'll see they took over our template. MT needs to stay in the middle and lean not to biased Federations and so on. Who really do they represent? That goes for the Dutch, but last week the Greek HOSC collapsed.
Anyhow, just a couple of considerations... I think you may have filled in a wrong survey, as the MT one would have other questions. We're certainly improving on the results. so if you will, also file the one Daniel made? Greetz, Lo
That, I "got a like on if it had been possible in a PM", this regular, but normal and off-Europe member said.
I also want to stress MT discussed elections and popularity --last year-- already. There and then I said directly we are best to get NOT the best ratings. As only then you are doing your job right. This is no popular job. You have to be impartial to the extremes. You can not please the community which would give you your popular scores. No. So I last year said if we would launch such a poll, we best hope at lower rates as only cliques would be very eager to fill them in with vinegar, so the ratings would be naturally low, which would be something to be very proud about.
So what have we got here? The PB-clique filling in all surveys to the worst. MT filling in nothing. Good, regular members not seeing the trees through the wood.
Well, it's a fine victory for the PB-clique then as they want to feast the most meager results. The good and honest community including the concerned citizens will however find MT implementing many of the proposed ideas and questions put. It's why we started planning to have some things organized by the end of 2017 already, and which we will adopt from the MT survey but also ofcourse from any other as any opinion counts, how much biased it is.
Ofcourse since I am current, 4th, target of the PB-clique, sticking up for my Team outspoken, I will get the extra mile. Clique wants to divide so will fill it in to the extreme but as the above example prooves, and we've heared more of this: also those few regulars giving up their time for it will reluctantly fill in more mediocre "because they just don't know". That's all very much understandable, and comes with a genuine argument.
Those members off-Europe, who have never experienced these "Windmill wars", asked me to explain it as they really didn't get it. Which is why I wrote that second 'wallpaper' earlier above if you will, and even after that it is not easy to comprehend decades of warfare we, Admin and MT, wish to keep out of this forum. But it is why I became the most outspoken MT-member at the moment.
They can be assured we come up for the 90% peaceful members... we are an independant team and have no hidden agenda's. Nothing like the PB clique which is only about the "Big" Strategopolitics. What the community is concerned about, and they will never get, are whole other things, and we are addressing that. For instance we announced a survey to test community's wishes... and as said then all of a sudden other surveys popped up. From many sides, the normal members, we understood they didn't even know there were multiple surveys, so they had just filled in the one. Filling in all, they said not to bother... too timeconsuming.
They did note themselves that ofcourse the PB clique would fill in every single one of them so we might expect very distorted results. Mind ofcourse again MT does not fill these surveys in ourselves either so you get only the warmongerers group filling in everything, then here and there the regular members who also often have to make a judgement as they do not comprehend everything, do not know what to believe. And that's the perfect respons... I would be like that too if I came in fresh.
So. You'll see only a meager 23 results with half of those relative lower results, of which the worst results are all PB-clique ofcourse (that goes without saying). A genuine result would be this to be a relative fine result (excluding the PB-clique that said to purge all 5 of MT many times, as their views were a given already). It would be fun to see the PB-clique run against MT in elections actually. Then if they win, indeed all cheers to them. It would take a bit more than these few votes though, even if MT pitches in, it would not be a very satisfactory number for the thousands of members we have.
Even the WCO survey had 36 entrants, and that of only about 60 players in the end. We have had more than tenfold ofcourse, so 600 different members bringing cases. Many of them not frequent visitors of the forum at all, but for the very most part satisfied members with our verdict then.
What you can not do is discount the one member for one other, but much more active, member. We are all equal around here! If the PB-clique wants to reside in professional ivory towers that's up to them, but we stay below, amongst the entire community. Let the professional Elite remain in their castles; MT is just ordinary, as it should be.
Now ofcourse we can not demand of people to start filling in all the pop up surveys laying around. We'll have elections Wednesday in my country and half the population stays at home... this surveying need not even be 50%. Most just do not bother too much, just have the one case, maybe another in a year, but really not much going on. So I would understand why we wouldn't get hundreds of people filling in, especially since there are many surveys going around now. Just the 100 seems a good goal if we have Admin mail around to advertize for it indeed. That would be feasible and representative.
So far there is little appetite though and this stems ofcourse from al the warmongering of the PB-clique. It's just that nobody else cares to respond but them, which figures a lot. We see above a dozen posts. They're doing a cycling match together, go head over head. I haven't been reading their posts as they are only intended to provoke and have a level zero in sincerity but I sure like reading yours, MTinsley . I guess I do like hyperboling http://forum.strateg...852#entry448852