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#41 OuweSok

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Posted 08 October 2017 - 07:40 PM

If the last two pieces exchange, is it a draw or whoever has the next turn loses?

 

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#42 OuweSok

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Posted 09 October 2017 - 07:59 AM

 

In a game of  today I moved a scout from E1 to E8 to scout a piece at D8, that could only move to D7. So he moved to D7, I to E7, he to D8, I do E8, he to D7 and then I could not move again. Is that correct? I was kind of surprised by this.

 

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#43 Napoleon 1er

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Posted 09 October 2017 - 09:33 AM

That is correct becsuse you have crossed line 7 to 8 3 times which is the maximum you can do in a threatening position according to 2square rule
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#44 Don_Homer

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Posted 09 October 2017 - 12:11 PM

I just looked in a rules book and it reads: " if all your movable pieces have been captured AND you cannot move or attack on YOUR turn, you must surrender and declare your opponent the winner."
According to this, if I can force my opponent to put his last piece beside my last piece and I can move and attack on my last turn, trading our final pieces. My opponent is the only player left not being able to move or attack on his turn, not me.


The other player has to show he can do a move. If not, its a draw.

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#45 Morx

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Posted 09 October 2017 - 01:08 PM

There is a difference there probably between making computer software and properly checking the win conditions and human logic and interpretation of the board.



#46 Wogomite

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Posted 09 October 2017 - 01:45 PM

The other player has to show he can do a move. If not, its a draw.


The other player should not have to show he can do a hypothetical move after the game is over. The rules state that ON YOUR TURN you have to be able to make a move. If the last pieces are exchanged then the game is over and there is no need to make another move.

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Posted 09 October 2017 - 03:52 PM

Hi Wogomite,

Unfortunately I cannot find the isf gamerules anymore to verify it officially. Anyway in my offline experience it counts as a draw when both sides are unable to move. Its written in Dutch Sbn website also. And at gravon its implemented that way. They are always trying to follow all ISF rules.

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#48 Wogomite

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Posted 09 October 2017 - 04:04 PM

That is why I mentioned not knowing what the ISF has discussed on the matter. According to game book rules, it is clearly not a draw. I know all sources that I have seen will consider it a draw but by literal translation of the rules, you cannot make this draw claim.
When the rules state "on your turn" that literal means 'on your turn'. If it was intended to say " if at any given time you are out of pieces" then it would be stated that way. The rules very specifically state that " if you cannot make a move on YOUR TURN..."what if the game is over before you are mandated to make another move? Then according to the rules, you have not taken a turn without being able to move a piece where as your opponent has. It is game over for your opponent. If indeed you were required to make another move after the final exchange then its a loss, if you are the one to make the attack to exchange the final pieces, you have made your required move, it's your opponents turn... he cannot move, you win because he cannot move.

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Posted 09 October 2017 - 06:14 PM

Wow... all this time I had taken it for granted that if at the end of the game each player has one piece (same as the other) and they exchange then it s a draw. The ISF should clarify this better

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Posted 09 October 2017 - 09:51 PM

For those of you that want to overlook this written rule for the sake of a 'fair' draw, consider something. Two players that this rule will effect are the ones where better skill should overcome. A player that understands Stratego well will not place himself in a position where he puts his opponent at an advantage over the exachange. He will dance the lake before he lets this happen of course. I believe that any time that a player would have the disadvantage of the final exchange is when the mometum was methodically used by his opponent to take the final exchange. I bet 10/10 that if you saw the last five moves that ended in a final exchange draw, you would see that a player clearly had the momentum and was in control yet not rewarded for his endeavor. Making the final exchange a no-draw would be another element to strategise the beauty of this game. Abiding to this already written rule benefits skill, it's not random. A true draw will still be a draw.

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Posted 14 October 2017 - 12:26 AM

This question is already settled in the ISF rules.  It's a draw:

 

 https://snag.gy/MPWoVO.jpg

 

But I agree with Wogomite that it could make the outcomes a bit more dependent on skill if it the rules gave the win to the player who made the last move.

 

By the way, Metaforge had a weird programming quirk.  If neither player could move but one player had a piece that was bombed in then that player would win, since it recognized only one player without pieces. But if both players had a bombed in piece then the player who made the last move would win (Metaforge gave automatic losses if a player had three turns in which he didn't make a move in 60 seconds, so if each had a bombed-in piece the first player whose turn it was after the final sacrifice would be the first to have three lost turns.)

 

 

Full rules can be found here:

 

http://www.stratego-...SFGameRules.pdf


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#52 Don_Homer

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Posted 18 October 2017 - 01:33 PM

Thanks to Jens the isf rules are back online.

you can download them here :


http://www.strategob...isf-spelregels/

prof did this already I notice now :)

Edited by Don_Homer, 18 October 2017 - 01:35 PM.

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#53 OuweSok

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Posted 18 October 2017 - 07:23 PM

I start the client and I get this, WTF?

 

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#54 Silverhammer

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Posted 18 October 2017 - 07:25 PM

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Posted 19 October 2017 - 07:25 PM

Today I played vs a Silver General who played really solid and I lost, except that he resigned at the moment he captured a bomb next to my supermegaobvious flag. This was intentional. Why would anyone keep his rating low in this way?


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#56 Wogomite

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Posted 19 October 2017 - 07:37 PM

I have a few reasons why I believe this is happening but don't feel like going over it again. Be careful, you might be accused of seeing the boogie man and told no one would intentionally keep there rating low. đŸ™„
I am glad others are starting to catch wind that it's happening.

#57 OuweSok

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Posted 27 October 2017 - 01:06 PM

What is the highest amount of games anyone has played on the site?

The gold captain I played yesterday had over 15000 played games  :o  :o  :o  :o

 

That is about 6 months of continuously playing Stratego, assuming 15-20 minutes per game.

 

I have less than 200 still. I don't think I will even get to 500, by that time I have moved to some new gaming hobby.


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#58 roeczak

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Posted 27 October 2017 - 02:00 PM

I have around 2500. Gpet0 ( a top greek player) has over 10000 on Gravon , over 10000 here, for a total of 20000+ games.
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#59 Don_Homer

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Posted 28 October 2017 - 11:41 AM

Gpet0 is a legendary marathonplayer. But I think Rave has the record. Rave55 from India has 25.000+ games on gravon alone! And he did this in only 10 years :).

Edited by Don_Homer, 28 October 2017 - 11:44 AM.

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Posted 28 October 2017 - 11:48 AM

From the age of 6 till now, I have played approximately 10.000+ games.

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