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Who Would Make A Better Ally for the United States?

  1. Russia (5 votes [62.50%])

    Percentage of vote: 62.50%

  2. S.P.I.T. (2 votes [25.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 25.00%

  3. No Entangling Alliances (1 votes [12.50%])

    Percentage of vote: 12.50%

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#1 LODED DIPER

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Posted 18 May 2017 - 01:50 PM

S.P.I.T. is Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Israel and Turkey



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Posted 18 May 2017 - 07:11 PM

http://www.newsweek....ing-isis-536566

 

In 2016, Turkey and the United States accused each other of supporting ISIS!!  :lol:

 

Fact Checker: They both were right.

 

 

During DC visit, Erdogan's bodyguards beat up Kurdish protesters  :wacko:

 

http://www.independe...c-a7740846.html



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Posted 4 weeks ago

Like Obama, Trump is selling $350 billion of weapons to Saudi Arabia. Don't worry. Only $50 billion will go to ISIS and Al Qaeda.

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Posted 4 weeks ago

How many millions did they give to Hillary Clinton and John McCain for wars?  



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Posted 4 weeks ago

More appropriate in this thread  ---

 

April 2002: Benjamin Netanyahu came to Washington DC and met with US Senators to warn them Saddam was developing nuclear weapons which could be delivered to the US homeland in suitcases or satchels.

 

June 2002: Ehud Barak, another former Israeli PM, wrote an op-ed in the Washington Post stating the Bush administration should focus on Iraq and the removal of Saddam.

CBSnews.com headline (Aug 16, 2002): "Israel to US: Don't Delay Iraq Attack"

Sept 2002: Benjamin Netanyahu wrote a piece for the Wall Street Journal titled "The Case for Toppling Saddam" which stated "nothing less than dismantling his regime will do."

 

Feb. 26, 2001: Ariel Sharon believes that Iraq poses more of a threat to regional stability than Iran. (Ha'aretz)

 

"America is a thing you can move very easily." - Netanyahu



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Posted 4 weeks ago

We know what Saudi Arabia and Israel won't be accepting: refugees



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Posted 4 weeks ago

Blah de blah blah blah blah Hillary did this....Obama did that......blah blah blah blah blah. Toss in some allusions to Al Qaeda and ISIS just for good measure. "They" are trying to overthrow the white man's power and destroy Israel. It's us or them right? Killed me some brown people today. Mama says I am a good boy. We all forgot the marine barracks in Lebanon (When Jesus Reagan was in power and trading arms for hostages), but we know about Benghazi and the horror. If you want to get things done sometimes you have to grab some puss E. Lets them know who's in charge.

 

They are coming to get you all right. Men in white coats are coming to take you away ha ha, ho ho, he he. They'll keep you well medicated  :ph34r:

 

They're coming to take me away just for all of you conspiracy nuts.

 

Remember when you ran away and
I got on my knees and begged you
Not to leave because I'd go berserk? Well,
You left me anyhow and then the
Days got worse and worse and now you
See I've gone completely out of my mind. And,
 
They're coming to take me away, ha-haaa.
They're coming to take me away, ho ho, he he, ha ha,
To the funny farm, where life is beautiful all the time
And I'll be happy to see those nice young
Men in their clean white coats and
They're coming to take me away, ha-haaa!
 
You thought it was a joke and so you
Laughed, you laughed! When I had said that
Losing you would make me flip my lid - right?
You know you laughed, I heard you laugh,
You laughed, you laughed and laughed, and then you
Left, but now you know I'm utterly mad. And,
 
They're coming to take me away, ha-haaa.
They're coming to take me away, ho ho, he he , ha ha,
To the happy home with trees and flowers and chirping birds
And basket weavers who sit and smile
And twiddle their thumbs and toes
And they're coming to take me away, ha-haaa!

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Posted 4 weeks ago

Blah de blah blah blah blah Hillary did this....Obama did that......blah blah blah blah blah

Lol, yeah. They're ancient. We'll never see them again.

 

What's funny though is this SPIT piece Trump uses while honoring Saudi Arabia as his very first country to visit (the puppet, lol!):

 

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What an infant he is ;)!


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Posted 4 weeks ago

Q: I get the "shared interests" and the "common sense,” but what are the “common values” between Saudi Arabia and America? Asking for a neocon.

 

A: Both are allied with Israel.

 

http://www.businessi...alliance-2017-2

 

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Posted 4 weeks ago

Don't mess with this long, beautiful friendship! ; )

1940 - 1945

The U.S. began to court the kingdom as it realized the strategic importance of Saudi oil reserves. In 1943, President Franklin Roosevelt made Saudi Arabia eligible for Lend-Lease assistance by declaring the defense of Saudi Arabia of vital interest to the U.S. In 1945, King Abdel Aziz and President Roosevelt cemented the tacit oil-for-security relationship when they met aboard the USS Quincy in the Suez Canal.

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Posted 4 weeks ago

The political noose wants Trump to think he's got only one way out: war.

 

The Deep State, now circling Trump, will happily feast instead on a rotting Syria. They want Trump to think pressure will let up if he delivers what was promised to them by a Hillary Clinton presidency: yet another regime change, this time Assad.

 

Trump’s strategy is based on how Democrats reacted after his first attack on the Syrian government on April 6th: they paused their toothless “resistance” to celebrate his bombing.

 

Yes, the U.S. is already at war with the Syrian government for control of Syrian territory. The U.S. war on ISIS in Syria was never about ISIS, but about gaining a foothold directly inside Syria.

 

The U.S. military wants to “occupy” the “power vacuum” left by ISIS, because Syrian territory is “strategically important” to the United States.

 

The war isn’t about ISIS because the U.S. military isn’t needed to defeat ISIS in Syria, since the group was doomed the day that Turkey decided to close ranks against them — by sealing their border with Syria — instead of openly supporting them as they had for several years.

 

Consequently, the Syrian government — with Russian and Iranian support — has no problem mopping up ISIS in Syria, and they’re racing to do it first before the U.S.-Kurdish alliance claims the territory for itself.

 

The U.S. war against ISIS in Syria has always been a pretext to undermine the Syrian and Iranian governments. 

 

This is the real reason Trump prioritized Saudi Arabia as the always-important stop on his initial trip abroad: Trump is clearly stating his commitment to the totalitarian monarchies, whose main priorities are the destruction of its regional enemies:  Yemen, Syria, and Iran.

 

This “Arab NATO” is meant to act as a U.S. puppet army in the way that ‘official’ NATO does in Europe,  and the African Union’s “Standby Force” does in Africa, where U.S. allies share the responsibility of repressing neighbor states who defy U.S. interests, i.e. they refuse to abandon their political-economic self determination.

 

The Syrian Kurds are now being armed with U.S. weaponry and given similar promises as their Iraqi counterparts 0nce received, but the Syrian Kurds are rightfully nervous about their new alliance.

 

In their desperate fight against ISIS the Kurds have accepted an alliance with the world’s military superpower: the Kurdish homeland is infested with rats and they invited a tiger to deal with the problem; but once the rats are dead the tiger will stay hungry.  The Kurds also live next to another starving Tiger, the Turkish Government.

 

Like all “boots on the ground,” the Kurds are most useful to the U.S. as cannon fodder, while more powerful people profit from the fighting. The political power of the Kurds pales in comparison to their enemy Turkey, whose government has long-term interests (the destruction of the Kurds) that will outlast the short-term military objectives of the US.

 

The above contradictions are sharpening across the Middle East, nearing the point of yet another explosion.

 

The US Doctrine is a flamethrower at a gas station that can instantly spark an even greater conflagration, beyond the horrors we’ve already witnessed across the Middle East. If the Trump movement in the United States doesn’t quickly prioritize a real anti-regime change strategy, there will be little resistance left to speak of as we descend into madness.


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Posted 4 weeks ago

There were "contacts and exchanges" with Russia!

 

Perhaps someday we'll get a full report on "contacts and exchanges" between "US persons" and Israeli officials. y'know, just for comparison's sake. :rolleyes: 



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Posted 3 weeks ago

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https://www.wsj.com/...ases-1459671069

 

Poor Japan! LOL

 

 

(2)

 

Merkel: We can't rely on the US anymore. I have experienced this in the last days. We Europeans should take destiny in our own hands.

 

Oh good, does this mean we can withdraw the 35,000 US troops stationed in Germany at a cost of billions? # USoutofNATO



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Posted 2 weeks ago

The Attack on the Liberty is the kind of book that makes your blood seethe

 

http://www.goodreads...rty?ref=profile

 

Slimy politicians, who usually fall all over themselves to praise those in the military, never seem to get around to mentioning the USS Liberty. Another anniversary is coming up soon.

 

 

In early June of 1967, at the onset of the Six Day War, the Pentagon sent the USS Liberty from Spain into international waters off the coast of Gaza to monitor the progress of Israel’s attack on the Arab states. The Liberty was a lightly armed surveillance ship.

 

Only hours after the Liberty arrived it was spotted by the Israeli military. The IDF sent out reconnaissance planes to identify the ship. They made eight trips over a period of three hours. The Liberty was flying a large US flag and was easily recognizable as an American vessel.

 

Soon more planes came. These were Israeli Mirage III fighters, armed with rockets and machine guns. As off-duty officers sunbathed on the deck, the fighters opened fire on the defenseless ship with rockets and machine guns.

 

A few minutes later a second wave of planes streaked overhead, French-built Mystere jets, which not only pelted the ship with gunfire but also with napalm bomblets, coating the deck with the flaming jelly. By now, the Liberty was on fire and dozens were wounded and killed, excluding several of the ship’s top officers.

 

The Liberty’s radio team tried to issue a distress call, but discovered the frequencies had been jammed by the Israeli planes with what one communications specialist called “a buzzsaw sound.” Finally, an open channel was found and the Liberty got out a message it was under attack to the USS America, the Sixth Fleet’s large aircraft carrier.

 

Two F-4s left the carrier to come to the Liberty’s aid. Apparently, the jets were armed only with nuclear weapons. When word reached the Pentagon, Defense Secretary Robert McNamara became irate and ordered the jets to return. “Tell the Sixth Fleet to get those aircraft back immediately,” he barked. McNamara’s injunction was reiterated in saltier terms by Admiral David L. McDonald, the chief of Naval Operations: “You get those (expletive) airplanes back on deck, and you get them back down.” The planes turned around. And the attack on the Liberty continued.

 

After the Israeli fighter jets had emptied their arsenal of rockets, three Israeli attack boats approached the Liberty. Two torpedoes were launched at the crippled ship, one tore a 40-foot wide hole in the hull, flooding the lower compartments, and killing more than a dozen American sailors.

 

As the Liberty listed in the choppy seas, its deck aflame, crew members dropped life rafts into the water and prepared to scuttle the ship. Given the number of wounded, this was going to be a dangerous operation. But it soon proved impossible, as the Israeli attack boats strafed the rafts with machine gun fire. No body was going to get out alive that way.

 

After more than two hours of unremitting assault, the Israelis finally halted their attack. One of the torpedo boats approached the Liberty. An officer asked in English over a bullhorn: “Do you need any help?”

 

The wounded commander of the Liberty, Lt. William McGonagle, instructed the quartermaster to respond emphatically: “(Expletive) you.”

 

The Israeli boat turned and left.

 

A Soviet destroyer responded before the US Navy, even though a US submarine, on a covert mission, was apparently in the area and had monitored the attack. The Soviet ship reached the Liberty six hours before the USS Davis. The captain of the Soviet ship offered his aid, but the Liberty’s officer refused.

 

Finally, 16 hours after the attack two US destroyers reached the Liberty. By that time, 34 US sailors were dead and 174 injured, many seriously. As the wounded were being evacuated, an officer with the Office of Naval Intelligence instructed the men not to talk about their ordeal with the press.

 

The following morning Israel launched a surprise invasion of Syria, breaching the new cease-fire agreement and seizing control of the Golan Heights.

 

Within three weeks, the Navy put out a 700-page report, exonerating the Israelis, claiming the attack had been accidental and that the Israelis had pulled back as soon as they realized their mistake. Defense Secretary Robert McNamara suggested the whole affair should be forgotten. “These errors do occur,” McNamara concluded.

 

It’s a story of Israel aggression, Pentagon incompetence, official lies, and a cover-up that persists to this day.

 

After the attack ended, Pat O’Malley, a junior officer, had just sent a list of killed and wounded to the Bureau of Naval Personnel. He got an immediate message back. “‘Wounded in what action? Killed in what action?’,” O’Malley said. “They said it wasn’t an ‘action,’ it was an accident. I’d like for them to come out here and see the difference between an action and an accident.”


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Posted 2 weeks ago

Admiral John S. McCain Jr., the father of the current US senator, ordered Admiral Isaac C. Kidd and Captain Ward Boston to hold a court of inquiry and to complete the investigation in only one week. In a signed affidavit Captain Boston said President Johnson ordered a cover-up and that he and Admiral Kidd were prevented from doing a real investigation. Liberty survivors were ordered never to speak to anyone about the event. Their silence was finally broken 12 years later when Lt. Commander James M. Ennes published his book, Assault on the Liberty.

It is now established fact that the attack on the Liberty was intentional and was covered up by President Johnson and every administration since. There has never been a congressional investigation, nor has the testimony of the majority of survivors ever been officially taken. Moreover, testimony that conflicted with the cover-up was deleted from the official record.


The Attack on the Liberty is the kind of book that makes your blood seethe
 
http://www.goodreads...rty?ref=profile
 
Slimy politicians, who usually fall all over themselves to praise those in the military, never seem to get around to mentioning the USS Liberty. Another anniversary is coming up soon.
 
 
In early June of 1967, at the onset of the Six Day War, the Pentagon sent the USS Liberty from Spain into international waters off the coast of Gaza to monitor the progress of Israel’s attack on the Arab states. The Liberty was a lightly armed surveillance ship.
 
Only hours after the Liberty arrived it was spotted by the Israeli military. The IDF sent out reconnaissance planes to identify the ship. They made eight trips over a period of three hours. The Liberty was flying a large US flag and was easily recognizable as an American vessel.
 
Soon more planes came. These were Israeli Mirage III fighters, armed with rockets and machine guns. As off-duty officers sunbathed on the deck, the fighters opened fire on the defenseless ship with rockets and machine guns.
 
A few minutes later a second wave of planes streaked overhead, French-built Mystere jets, which not only pelted the ship with gunfire but also with napalm bomblets, coating the deck with the flaming jelly. By now, the Liberty was on fire and dozens were wounded and killed, excluding several of the ship’s top officers.
 
The Liberty’s radio team tried to issue a distress call, but discovered the frequencies had been jammed by the Israeli planes with what one communications specialist called “a buzzsaw sound.” Finally, an open channel was found and the Liberty got out a message it was under attack to the USS America, the Sixth Fleet’s large aircraft carrier.
 
Two F-4s left the carrier to come to the Liberty’s aid. Apparently, the jets were armed only with nuclear weapons. When word reached the Pentagon, Defense Secretary Robert McNamara became irate and ordered the jets to return. “Tell the Sixth Fleet to get those aircraft back immediately,” he barked. McNamara’s injunction was reiterated in saltier terms by Admiral David L. McDonald, the chief of Naval Operations: “You get those (expletive) airplanes back on deck, and you get them back down.” The planes turned around. And the attack on the Liberty continued.
 
After the Israeli fighter jets had emptied their arsenal of rockets, three Israeli attack boats approached the Liberty. Two torpedoes were launched at the crippled ship, one tore a 40-foot wide hole in the hull, flooding the lower compartments, and killing more than a dozen American sailors.
 
As the Liberty listed in the choppy seas, its deck aflame, crew members dropped life rafts into the water and prepared to scuttle the ship. Given the number of wounded, this was going to be a dangerous operation. But it soon proved impossible, as the Israeli attack boats strafed the rafts with machine gun fire. No body was going to get out alive that way.
 
After more than two hours of unremitting assault, the Israelis finally halted their attack. One of the torpedo boats approached the Liberty. An officer asked in English over a bullhorn: “Do you need any help?”
 
The wounded commander of the Liberty, Lt. William McGonagle, instructed the quartermaster to respond emphatically: “(Expletive) you.”
 
The Israeli boat turned and left.
 
A Soviet destroyer responded before the US Navy, even though a US submarine, on a covert mission, was apparently in the area and had monitored the attack. The Soviet ship reached the Liberty six hours before the USS Davis. The captain of the Soviet ship offered his aid, but the Liberty’s officer refused.
 
Finally, 16 hours after the attack two US destroyers reached the Liberty. By that time, 34 US sailors were dead and 174 injured, many seriously. As the wounded were being evacuated, an officer with the Office of Naval Intelligence instructed the men not to talk about their ordeal with the press.
 
The following morning Israel launched a surprise invasion of Syria, breaching the new cease-fire agreement and seizing control of the Golan Heights.
 
Within three weeks, the Navy put out a 700-page report, exonerating the Israelis, claiming the attack had been accidental and that the Israelis had pulled back as soon as they realized their mistake. Defense Secretary Robert McNamara suggested the whole affair should be forgotten. “These errors do occur,” McNamara concluded.
 
It’s a story of Israel aggression, Pentagon incompetence, official lies, and a cover-up that persists to this day.
 
After the attack ended, Pat O’Malley, a junior officer, had just sent a list of killed and wounded to the Bureau of Naval Personnel. He got an immediate message back. “‘Wounded in what action? Killed in what action?’,” O’Malley said. “They said it wasn’t an ‘action,’ it was an accident. I’d like for them to come out here and see the difference between an action and an accident.”



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Serious Question: Does the US get white phosphorus from Israel or does Israel get white phosphorus from the US?



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Posted 6 days ago

Only two senators, Sanders and Paul, voted no on final passage of the Russia (and Iran) sanctions bill. :rolleyes: 

 

Serious Question: Who has more human rights abuses? Russia and Iran or Saudi Arabia and Israel? :wacko: 






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