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#101 GaryLShelton

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Posted 11 February 2016 - 10:52 PM

Correct. As the system shall not match you with somebody having more than 622 ELO points difference from you, you never get a case with 25:0


Why is that, Napoleon 1er? Where did the 622 number come from?

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#102 The Prof

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Posted 11 February 2016 - 11:25 PM

According to the ELO formula, if a player is matched against an opponent ranked at least 677 points less, then he receives less than half a point for the win, which rounds to 0 points.  So it should be possible for players to get 0 or 25 for a win or loss unless there is a special rule that overrules the formula in this case, or if the programmers blocked any of these types of match-ups from occurring.  Napoleon, on what basis do you conclude that the system will not match opponents with this big a difference? 


Edited by The Prof, 11 February 2016 - 11:27 PM.


#103 GaryLShelton

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Posted 11 February 2016 - 11:34 PM

I uploaded versions pasted into Paint which shrunk them a bit.


Yes, well, play around with the paint program some more. I've never had a problem doing it that way although it's honestly been awhile for me. (On my phone all the time.) Good luck with it.

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#104 iron_maiden

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Posted 12 February 2016 - 01:03 AM

Do I still need to though? You said you could see the images ok in the end so I assume you have the details you need?

#105 gantonio

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Posted 12 February 2016 - 09:01 AM

I would like to report user DOCNIK from Greece for draw refusal. I warned him a lot of times he did not attack once. 

is a dropbox link good enough?

check him out here

https://www.dropbox....qL3ewZay6a?dl=0

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#106 iron_maiden

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Posted 13 February 2016 - 07:25 PM

Just keeping this alive! Gary do you have good eyeball on the images or not?

#107 GaryLShelton

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Posted 14 February 2016 - 09:11 PM

Just keeping this alive! Gary do you have good eyeball on the images or not?


The MT has voted to issue a 1st degree refusal to ViniciusC for his game against iron_maiden. Pending administrative action the 13 system points will be deducted from ViniciusC and added to iron_maiden. Also, ViniciusC will have 50 more points deducted from his rating.

I wish to point out for future cases that no clear evidence was actually offered that a system tie request was offered by iron_maiden to ViniciusC. The grayed-out tie request button on the defeat details screen is no proof. It is always grayed-out no matter how many ties are left. There was plenty of BattleChat by iron_maiden, but again no screen showing ViniciusC responding that he was refusing the tie request or why. Both of these things would be good to include next time.

Here, the amount of time spent in an obvious no-progress situation (49 minutes) with the scout of iron_maiden constantly eluding his three captors, combined with the Gold Scout level of ViniciusC, the case here was judged by the MT as more likely than not.

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#108 iron_maiden

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Posted 15 February 2016 - 01:55 AM

I'll take it! Thanks Gary. I think the noise I was making on here about it should have also told you what you needed to know - but anyway I know what to do next time. This time I had used my 3 tie requests up before seeking advice on what to do, which is also why it dragged on so long - I assumed he'd get bored and agree a tie at some stage but like an idiot he carried on. I'm glad he is losing a further 50 points as well, quite right.

#109 tobermoryx

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Posted 15 February 2016 - 04:57 AM

The MT has voted to issue a 1st degree penalty to Polanco15 for draw refusal in his Quick Arena game versus Unfathomable..

 

Pending Administrative Action he will be deducted 50 points from his rating and sent a 1st degree warning letter.


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Posted 15 February 2016 - 05:00 AM

I would like to report user DOCNIK from Greece for draw refusal. 

 

A case has been opened for this match



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Posted 17 February 2016 - 03:28 AM

My second game against sultan61, and my second draw refusal case against him.  I have a colonel, he has his marshal (known) but no colonels or general.  I even have a screenshot of his marsh taking a piece late in the game (thus revealing it). 

 

- no progress to be made (8:56) he is out of miners:  http://pasteboard.co/1BUUCCP1.png

- Screenshot of his Marshal:  http://pasteboard.co/1BVbD6G1.png

- By 8:58, I decided to stop pursuing a win and just take the draw, and sacrificed my remaining pieces  to show him no more progress can be made:  http://pasteboard.co/1BVf7SUd.png

First draw request:  http://pasteboard.co/1BVjq7Mf.png

First Refusal:  http://pasteboard.co/1BVkUMYc.png

He tried dancing around with his pieces to confuse me as to the location of his Marshal, and when it didn't work I took some of his pieces for free:  http://pasteboard.co/1BVqrcfv.png

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Second Draw Request:  http://pasteboard.co/1BVvpwzZ.png

Second Refusal:  http://pasteboard.co/1BVwtyYP.png

Third Draw Request:  http://pasteboard.co/1BVASoDh.png

Third Refusal:  http://pasteboard.co/1BVCx5ih.png (9:10)

Defeat Screen:  http://pasteboard.co/1BVE6Nrt.png


Edited by whocaresman, 17 February 2016 - 03:31 AM.


#112 GaryLShelton

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Posted 17 February 2016 - 05:39 AM

I would like to report user DOCNIK from Greece for draw refusal. I warned him a lot of times he did not attack once. 
is a dropbox link good enough?
check him out here
https://www.dropbox....qL3ewZay6a?dl=0
Gantonio


Gantonio, your drop box link says "folder is empty". Can you get it to work again. Apparently, it worked for a little but then stopped.

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#113 gantonio

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Posted 17 February 2016 - 09:06 AM

they were accidentally deleted. Since you saw them cant you do something? I could even win this match, I just did it to punish him for being unsportsman. Dont car about my points, but he need to be punished



#114 gantonio

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Posted 17 February 2016 - 09:14 PM

My previous adventure made think of the following. Lets say I play with a player who never attacks and refuses a draw. I somehow manage to win after a long long time (it has happened many times). I cant report him/he is never punished. Can't we fw that somehow? We can still win some matches, but they still nedd to be punished.



#115 danis_p_gr

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Posted 17 February 2016 - 10:28 PM

This is my first post in this forum and I hope it will be the last.

 

The case is against player "SKATA". I offered him the first draw at a point where we both had our generals, I had a major 2 captains 2 sergents and no miners and he had 1 captain 4 sergents, 1 miner and 1 scout. I offered him the draw because even though my flag was open he could not take it because I had more ranked parts. His flag was covered by bombs. For this 1 draw offer I have no screenshot, but it was around 10:15 (local time on my pc).

After that we exchanged the Generals and the Captains, I got his miner and he started moving across the field with his scout.

I let him know that I started recording for this case at 10:25

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I offered draw for the second time at 10:28

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and for the third time at 10:33

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Finally I resigned at 10:34

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You can see clearly that from the first screenshot to the last one he made no moves to attack to get my flag, which he couldn' t get it anyway. Also the dialogs are interested, but they are in Greek and I will not stand to it here, I will make a complain in topic for abusive language. Sorry for my long post


Edited by danis_p_gr, 17 February 2016 - 10:38 PM.


#116 GaryLShelton

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Posted 18 February 2016 - 01:51 AM

Lets say I play with a player who never attacks and refuses a draw. I somehow manage to win after a long long time (it has happened many times).


If you wish to play on to a victory, that's fine, but you don't have to.

If you offer a draw and your opponent does not advance the game in ten minutes, you can safely quit the match, assuming you have three basic screenshots:

1) a first tie refusal screen
2) a second tie refusal screen ten minutes later
3) a defeat details screen

The above three screens will always make a strong case. BattleChat evidence showing your opponent speaking and refusing the draw is a bonus.

Note: A draw can be offered one second into the game. It is not wise to do so normally as you only have three tie requests, but it can be done. If at any time after a draw is offered, your opponent does not attack in ten minutes, or convincingly advance the game, then a valid draw refusal claim could be made. Obviously, a very early draw request would be wasted most of the time as soon as the opponent attacks.

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#117 GaryLShelton

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Posted 18 February 2016 - 04:04 AM

The case is against player "SKATA".


A case will be opened against SKATA. It will be combined with the Abusive Behavior issue you're claiming against SKATA also.

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#118 tobermoryx

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Posted 18 February 2016 - 04:44 AM

My second game against sultan61, and my second draw refusal case against him.  

A case is open for this.



#119 Moriarty

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Posted 18 February 2016 - 05:07 AM

Lets say two players are playing. Player A and B. if A wastes his draw requests early, and the game is clearly a draw, but player B has draw requests left, but is one of the players who like to waste time and refuse draws, can Player A report a draw refusal as A is out of draws? (basically is B obligated to send a draw request)


I have no idea what that thing under my avatar is. I've always liked stickers

#120 tobermoryx

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Posted 18 February 2016 - 05:14 AM

It doesn't help his case , but he could ask for a draw in the chat.






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