Jump to content


Photo

Report Draw Refusals Here (2017)


  • This topic is locked This topic is locked
878 replies to this topic

#861 MisterTimRules

MisterTimRules

    Miner

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 236 posts
  • Coat of arms
  • Gold Captain

Posted 02 January 2018 - 08:51 AM

 

From the screen shots. Red has an easy pattern to win. Pulling his major away from flag to drag col away if col doesn't chase, pin captain or chase him away from flag and use scout and miner to get flag a lot of variations can work out here for red. Surprised he doesn't see them or maybe he wasn't given enough time I think at leas

Correct, he could have tried that, but did nothing for 21 minutes. I think I gave him more than enough time to figure that one out, but he wasn't bright enough to do that. Or he was being a jerk and hoped I would get tired of the shuffling and give up. What a joke decision...



#862 GaryLShelton

GaryLShelton

    Marshal

  • Moderators
  • 4,867 posts
  • Coat of arms
  • Gold Sergeant

Posted 02 January 2018 - 08:57 PM

Reporting "reneliklin" for draw refusal. 


Pending administrative action, player reneliklin will have 113 points deducted from his rating and he will receive a warning letter. 122333444555 will have 13 points restored to his rating for the draw.


  • 122333444455555 likes this

The complete GS&F Rules can be found here: http://forum.strateg...rum-rules-2016/

Draw Refusal Rules, specifically, can be read here: http://forum.strateg...604#entry339604

#863 GaryLShelton

GaryLShelton

    Marshal

  • Moderators
  • 4,867 posts
  • Coat of arms
  • Gold Sergeant

Posted 02 January 2018 - 11:06 PM

I would like to report DevilsBregade for refusing my draw and endless chasing 

 

Pending administrative action, player DevilsBrigade will have 113 points deducted from his rating and he will receive a warning letter.  Player will have 13 points restored to his rating for the draw.  


  • Fks likes this

The complete GS&F Rules can be found here: http://forum.strateg...rum-rules-2016/

Draw Refusal Rules, specifically, can be read here: http://forum.strateg...604#entry339604

#864 GaryLShelton

GaryLShelton

    Marshal

  • Moderators
  • 4,867 posts
  • Coat of arms
  • Gold Sergeant

Posted 03 January 2018 - 12:00 AM

Correct, he could have tried that, but did nothing for 21 minutes. I think I gave him more than enough time to figure that one out, but he wasn't bright enough to do that. Or he was being a jerk and hoped I would get tired of the shuffling and give up. What a joke decision...

 

 

 

First of all, you showed us evidence from 2:56 to 3:15, so at most 19 minutes, not 21.

 

Second, the loss of a miner in the late game like that is not just a "mere" one piece, MTR. We see your miner at 2:56, but not in the next screenshot at 3:08, so we cannot assume when it was exactly lost.  If it was lost at 3:02, for example, you wouldn't have ten minutes on the first refusal.  If it was lost at 3:08, then you wouldn't have ten full minutes on the 2nd refusal at 3:13 when the 3rd refusal occurred.  

 

All we know for certain is that at 3:08 (when we know for sure you have lost the miner), you were in a losing position and by 3:13 we have only seen five minutes of evidence of draw refusal.  Had you continued on for a full ten minutes after 3:08 to the 3rd refusal, then you would have had a case.  But with only two pieces left in this game you were in a clearly losing position, particularly with your opponent having a scout to force your colonel to remain near the flag opening.  In fact, in the defeat screen we can see a piece has moved past your captain.  We don't know the identity of that piece but cannot assume it is not the miner.



The complete GS&F Rules can be found here: http://forum.strateg...rum-rules-2016/

Draw Refusal Rules, specifically, can be read here: http://forum.strateg...604#entry339604

#865 Mahissimo

Mahissimo

    Spy

  • Members
  • PipPip
  • 24 posts
  • Coat of arms
  • Platinum Lieutenant

Posted 03 January 2018 - 12:36 AM

Hi guys. I have an obvious case of a draw refusal here. Just look at the screenshot, I'd love to get my points back and Lady Knight punished.

 

https://postimg.org/image/bap7c9fl1/



#866 MisterTimRules

MisterTimRules

    Miner

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 236 posts
  • Coat of arms
  • Gold Captain

Posted 03 January 2018 - 12:59 AM

Sorry, but 19 minutes of play with only one man taken is a draw. No one should have to put up with this nonsense.



#867 MisterTimRules

MisterTimRules

    Miner

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 236 posts
  • Coat of arms
  • Gold Captain

Posted 03 January 2018 - 01:03 AM

 

We don't know the identity of that piece but cannot assume it is not the miner

Of course it wasn't the miner. That's why he kept shuffling up and down the board with it! He moved that piece up to my bomb numerous times, but never took the bomb. So it wasn't the miner. The miner was around the corner waiting to go past if I chased his 7 around the board. When I refused to fall for that, he just kept going up and down the board with his 7.

 

Bottom line, you're assuming you know what his men were and that's wrong.


Edited by MisterTimRules, 03 January 2018 - 01:04 AM.


#868 Fks

Fks

    Lieutenant

  • NASF Committee
  • 677 posts
  • Coat of arms
  • Gold Major

Posted 03 January 2018 - 01:15 AM

Pending administrative action, player DevilsBrigade will have 113 points deducted from his rating and he will receive a warning letter.  Player will have 13 points restored to his rating for the draw.  

Thank you!


Proud committee Member of the North American Stratego Federation (NASF)

Join here, http://forum.strateg...bers-join-here/

Youtube videos here, https://www.youtube....WbT-rTS9k_ntEnA

 


#869 GaryLShelton

GaryLShelton

    Marshal

  • Moderators
  • 4,867 posts
  • Coat of arms
  • Gold Sergeant

Posted 03 January 2018 - 05:08 AM

 
Bottom line, you're assuming you know what his men were and that's wrong.

.

Well, not really. We were not assuming anything. We were just going by the evidence shown. You didn't prove it wasn't a miner by what we could see.

But it's all irrelevant. The bottom line is that you were in a losing position once you lost the miner and after that you didn't allow your opponent ten minutes to see if he could win the game.

The complete GS&F Rules can be found here: http://forum.strateg...rum-rules-2016/

Draw Refusal Rules, specifically, can be read here: http://forum.strateg...604#entry339604

#870 MisterTimRules

MisterTimRules

    Miner

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 236 posts
  • Coat of arms
  • Gold Captain

Posted 03 January 2018 - 07:28 AM

 

Well, not really. We were not assuming anything. We were just going by the evidence shown. You didn't prove it wasn't a miner by what we could see

How do you think his man got by my 5? I let him by, because I knew it wasn't his miner. How else do you think he got by? Trickery? Magic? I've played over 5,000 games. I'm not dumb enough to let someone waltz by my 5 with a miner.

 

Oh well, screwed again. Guess I'll have to go back to leaving games when these clowns try to drag the games out endlessly. Shouldn't have to do that, but that's the way it is here now...



#871 MisterTimRules

MisterTimRules

    Miner

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 236 posts
  • Coat of arms
  • Gold Captain

Posted 03 January 2018 - 07:30 AM

 

But it's all irrelevant. The bottom line is that you were in a losing position once you lost the miner and after that you didn't allow your opponent ten minutes to see if he could win the game

Bottom line, I wasted 19 minutes with this clown shuffling up and down the board and you say I should have stuck it out another 5 minutes? What a joke.



#872 TheOptician

TheOptician

    General

  • Tournament Manager
  • 2,788 posts
  • Coat of arms
  • Platinum Marshal

Posted 03 January 2018 - 09:07 AM

You take this game way too seriously... ;-)
  • 122333444455555 likes this

#873 KissMyCookie

KissMyCookie

    Lieutenant

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 619 posts
  • Coat of arms
  • Silver Marshal

Posted 03 January 2018 - 09:48 AM

You take this game way too seriously... ;-)

 

No he doesn't, he just expects everyone else to take him seriously.  ;)


  • rgillis783 and 122333444455555 like this

#874 Wogomite

Wogomite

    Sergeant

  • NASF Committee
  • 303 posts
  • Coat of arms
  • Silver Marshal

Posted 03 January 2018 - 01:51 PM

MisterTim, this is just a child's game remember?

#875 MisterTimRules

MisterTimRules

    Miner

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 236 posts
  • Coat of arms
  • Gold Captain

Posted 04 January 2018 - 05:31 PM

Can't answer my question, so you make snide remarks. How childish. Again, how do you think he got his alleged miner by my 5? No way would I allow that to happen.



#876 KissMyCookie

KissMyCookie

    Lieutenant

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 619 posts
  • Coat of arms
  • Silver Marshal

Posted 04 January 2018 - 10:26 PM

Can't answer my question, so you make snide remarks.

 

giphy.gif



#877 MisterTimRules

MisterTimRules

    Miner

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 236 posts
  • Coat of arms
  • Gold Captain

Posted 05 January 2018 - 02:00 AM

Grow up, little boy. Answer my question or drop it. You're the typical board bully and internet tough guy. Real life nerd who lives in his mommy's basement. Sad...



#878 ghostshadow0

ghostshadow0

    Bomb

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 41 posts
  • Coat of arms
  • Gold Miner

Posted 05 January 2018 - 03:18 AM

hey, there is nothing wrong with living in mom's basement.  Good home cooking and free rent.  Times are tough bro!


  • TheOptician, rgillis783 and KissMyCookie like this

#879 GaryLShelton

GaryLShelton

    Marshal

  • Moderators
  • 4,867 posts
  • Coat of arms
  • Gold Sergeant

Posted 05 January 2018 - 05:48 AM

I want to close this topic with a quote from the rules for draw refusal listed in the opening post on page one over a year ago.

3.4.5 No Changes in Proof: Keep in mind that any changes in the situation of your game during the evidentiary period, even to the loss of a single piece, may invalidate all of your proof.

.

In any draw refusal whether a piece that has been lost is important or not will be at the sole discretion of the MT.

The complete GS&F Rules can be found here: http://forum.strateg...rum-rules-2016/

Draw Refusal Rules, specifically, can be read here: http://forum.strateg...604#entry339604




0 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users