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#821 MisterTimRules

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Posted 14 December 2017 - 04:21 PM

 

The fact that he wasted his buffer and took the full 15 seconds before moving makes it pretty hard to quickly advance the game.

If you check out my defeat screen, you will see that there were 635 moves made over 42 minutes. that works out to 15 moves a minute or one move every FOUR SECONDS. That's hardly dragging my feet in the game, Danker.



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Posted 14 December 2017 - 07:59 PM

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Edited by KissMyCookie, 14 December 2017 - 11:41 PM.

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Posted 14 December 2017 - 10:46 PM

damn, 42 minutes for a game?!?   Plus additional time to post your evidence...and wait for a decision for a few points.   I would have fallen asleep if i played that long.  My games against 12 used to last only a few minutes.  He would run into my bomb on my left flank, talk smack for a couple minutes, and then disconnect =P


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Posted 14 December 2017 - 11:10 PM

damn, 42 minutes for a game?!?   Plus additional time to post your evidence...and wait for a decision for a few points.   I would have fallen asleep if i played that long.  My games against 12 used to last only a few minutes.  He would run into my bomb on my left flank, talk smack for a couple minutes, and then disconnect =P

 

Man, you gotta love the ghostshadow0!  :lol:  :lol:  :lol: 



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Posted 14 December 2017 - 11:40 PM

If you check out my defeat screen, you will see that there were 635 moves made over 42 minutes...

 

Since you are generous to pass out some unasked for advice, I would like to return the favor to you, MisterTimRules:

 

1) A decision has been made in your favor–accept it and walk away. There is nothing more for you to say because what you are doing is you are rubbing danker’s nose in it. He has a right to complain because he is bearing the burden of a penalty meted out by the MT, and he must accept the responsibility of the choices he made–it makes you appear very ungracious with your case having being won.

 

2) Your statistics do not stand up to scrutiny as there are too many variables between individual matches. As an example, and having researched a handful of arbitrary games posted online, here are some results for you:

 

1st Game–363 moves            19 minutes

pieces taken: 32/32

 

2nd Game–489 moves            20 minutes

pieces taken: 32/31

 

3rd Game–512 moves            30 minutes

pieces taken: 32/32

 

4th Game–563 moves            30 minutes

pieces taken: 30/28

 

5th Game–426 moves            24 minutes

pieces taken: 28/26

 

YOU and danker:

6th Game–635 moves            42 minutes

pieces taken: MTR26/danker32

 

Most of these games were played by similar gold level Stratego players. Most games show that both opponents have a similar number of pieces taken. If we scrutinize the game you played with danker, it is clear that you are behind and he is ahead, in spite of you having the two strongest pieces. His mistake was not taking advantage of the third lane and getting his miners into play…he could have taken your flag had he more guts, more understanding of the game, and a better idea of how much he was actually ahead (you have more understanding than he does based upon this game). You did well, and requesting a draw was a good decision on your part. If, however, we refer to the previous list of examples and compare the duration and number of moves with your match, it would not be off the mark to understand that you had slowed down your gameplay to accommodate the necessary 10 minutes for a draw refusal case. Thus, you cannot apply a global average to the moves performed in one match. In a recent match posted by Fks, the 1st minute had 17 moves, 2nd minute had 18 moves, 3rd minute had 9 moves, 4th minute had also 9 moves, and then it accelerated yet again. Nevertheless, your timings from the match you had with danker could possibly support his argument that you slowed down, but his failure to move the game forward was his mistake alone and not yours.

 

You did the right thing under the circumstances of your match, and you won your case…the MT deliberated well and came to their final decision. This is just a way of asking you to bow out politely (even if danker lacks your potential civility and abilities) and just leave it alone.

 

Thanks.

 

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Posted 15 December 2017 - 12:43 AM

I have a right to defend my case and will continue to do so, if Danker wants to keep it up. If that annoys you, feel free to skip my future posts here.



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Posted 15 December 2017 - 12:58 AM

So let's move on to the next case! I would like to report "2good4u" for draw refusal. Three draw requests refused until I surrendered 19 minutes later. During that time, ONE man was lost, my miner. He kept telling me how the game was over and that he was going to win, but he never made any progress. I had his 4 blocked with my 3 and he kept shuffling up and down the board with his 7, which is near my 5. He had one man trapped behind bombs and the other two did nothing but shuffle.

 

Please restore the 11 points to my account and deduct 111 points from his account. Thank you.

 

https://imgur.com/LXxM4bM

 

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https://imgur.com/7TwADF8

 

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Posted 15 December 2017 - 12:58 AM

I have a right to defend my case and will continue to do so, if Danker wants to keep it up.

 

Actually, you presented your case, you argued your case, and the MT voted in your favor...ergo...there is no need to defend anything–I would have thought that would be obvious to you.

 

The fact that danker can bait you and keep you going at this is a testament to the both of you being rather petty. It does not annoy me in the least, but so long as you blow-hard with your self-righteous indignation, a posting such as mine may serve the humble purpose of pronouncing the fact that your case is over. So, in the meantime and until you have another draw refusal to report, please keep playing, finding draw refusals, and please keep rising/dropping in your ELO...you will be up to gold colonel in no time.  ;)


Edited by KissMyCookie, 15 December 2017 - 01:06 AM.


#829 MisterTimRules

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Posted 15 December 2017 - 07:31 AM

Your condescending post reveals your true colors to everyone here. We're done discussing this matter

 

As for Danker, I have a long history with him and that's why I'm not tolerant of his actions. It's a personal thing and really none of your business.



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Posted 15 December 2017 - 08:41 AM

Your condescending post reveals your true colors to everyone here. 

 

Your opinion and how you think you see me is of no importance to me–I've never pretended to be something I am not, so please learn how to properly use phrases such as 'true colors,' as you have completely misapplied the term to this context.

 

 

We're done discussing this matter

 

I wasn't discussing anything with you as that would imply that I would have had an interest in your point of view...I do not.

 

 

As for Danker *[sic], I have a long history with him and that's why I'm not tolerant of his actions. It's a personal thing and really none of your business.

*'danker' does not capitalize the 'd' in his moniker.

 

I could not care less about the 'history' between the two of you and I have no intention of making it my business. Your case, as well as its success, is a matter of public record, but at the same time you brought your crap out into the open forum afterwards. (Don't be so arrogant as to expect that when you fart in public, people are going to react with a joyful 'thank you'). In fact, you are usually involved in more draw refusal cases than just about anybody here, so much so, that they might as well open a private thread just for you.


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Posted 16 December 2017 - 02:42 AM

I will continue to report any player who pulls this crap. I am doing nothing wrong in these games, so why shouldn't I report them? Don't like it? Too bad.

 

Just like someone who reported me for disconnecting on them. Don't like it when I disconnect? Too bad. It's not against the rules and not a punishable offense.


Edited by MisterTimRules, 16 December 2017 - 02:43 AM.


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Posted 16 December 2017 - 04:05 AM

I will continue to report any player who pulls this crap. I am doing nothing wrong in these games, so why shouldn't I report them? Don't like it? Too bad.

Just like someone who reported me for disconnecting on them. Don't like it when I disconnect? Too bad. It's not against the rules and not a punishable offense.



I agree with you on the draw refusal stuff, MTR, but on the disconnecter offense, although you're technically correct at this time, disconnecting on someone when you know the site so well instead of just pressing the flag is bad sportsmanship in the first degree the same as a draw refusal.

They both waste time of the victim and are annoying to the max. The disconnecting thing has the extra factor of quite often being a cheap way to cheat. Several times against me disconnecters have tried the pause and move play when they've thought I might have gone to the bathroom after they disconnected. These types should have a special place in the lower hereafter. Besides this, the sheer number of disconnects over draw refusals makes the total pain of disconnecters arguably far greater.

Article 8 of the GS&FR currently does exclude enforcing penalties on disconnecters so you are technically correct, as I said. But it may not always be that way and you should probably try to change your behavior before the rule does so that it doesn't sneek up on you.
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The complete GS&F Rules can be found here: http://forum.strateg...rum-rules-2016/

Draw Refusal Rules, specifically, can be read here: http://forum.strateg...604#entry339604

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Posted 16 December 2017 - 09:10 AM

I will continue to report any player who pulls this crap.

 

And you should! It is 'crap' when some player decides to shuffle in an impossible situation and refuses to allow for a draw–I could not agree with you more.


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Posted 17 December 2017 - 04:43 AM

I have a report for SS 55 :-).

https://youtu.be/cqI9L9wuKVc

Film 13 minutes of him just chasing general with marshal around lake. I started recording after my 3 draw request have been used. As he had been chasing me for around 25 minutes.

 

A case is opened


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Posted 17 December 2017 - 05:08 AM

I have a report for SS 55 :-).
https://youtu.be/cqI9L9wuKVc
Film 13 minutes of him just chasing general with marshal around lake. I started recording after my 3 draw request have been used. As he had been chasing me for around 25 minutes.


Fks, the correct name for your draw refuser should be SO 55 :-), not SS 55 :-).

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The complete GS&F Rules can be found here: http://forum.strateg...rum-rules-2016/

Draw Refusal Rules, specifically, can be read here: http://forum.strateg...604#entry339604

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Posted 19 December 2017 - 11:23 PM

I haven't gotten any response to this draw refusal against Lotus Gornal:

 

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http://imageshack.co...7809/6hChKO.jpg



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Posted 20 December 2017 - 10:14 AM

Don't like it when I disconnect? Too bad. It's not against the rules and not a punishable offense.

 

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I am not MT, but if I were MT you would be on ignore right now.


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Posted 20 December 2017 - 10:47 AM

I haven't gotten any response to this draw refusal against Lotus Gornal:
 
http://imageshack.co...4523/6yKez4.jpg
http://imageshack.co...8571/8ZCe6Z.jpg
http://imageshack.co...7809/6hChKO.jpg


It was closed and posted just now.

The MT agrees with this complaint of draw refusal. Pending administrative action, the account of Lotusgornal will have 113 points deducted and he will receive a warning letter. 13 points will be restored to tokalafox for the draw.

The complete GS&F Rules can be found here: http://forum.strateg...rum-rules-2016/

Draw Refusal Rules, specifically, can be read here: http://forum.strateg...604#entry339604

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Posted 20 December 2017 - 07:25 PM

Kristof38 refused to draw three times and we continued "playing" for over half an hour in a clear draw situation.

(See also if you can the chat.)

 

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Posted 20 December 2017 - 08:35 PM

Kristof38 refused to draw three times and we continued "playing" for over half an hour in a clear draw situation.

(See also if you can the chat.)

 

https://imageshack.c...4708/Oyujt6.png

 

 

general330, although the situation we see does appear to be a clear draw, we cannot open a case without the requisite evidence.  We need two draw refusal screens, as close to ten minutes apart as you can, and a defeat screen.  See the link at the bottom of my post for the complete draw refusal rules.



The complete GS&F Rules can be found here: http://forum.strateg...rum-rules-2016/

Draw Refusal Rules, specifically, can be read here: http://forum.strateg...604#entry339604




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