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Poll: What would you attack with a high-ranking piece in exchange for the knowledge of the high piece? (Note that there are no adjacent pieces to the piece you are attacking: so as a spy or marshall can not attack you on your opponents turn.) (22 member(s) have cast votes)

Would you attack a Captain with a Marshall?

  1. Yes (2 votes [2.67%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 2.67%

  2. No (20 votes [26.67%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 26.67%

  3. (No more questions can be added, so I'll continue in the choices section. Please do not check off these sections.) Would you attack a Captain with a General? (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  4. Yes (4 votes [5.33%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 5.33%

  5. No (5 votes [6.67%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 6.67%

  6. Would you attack a Lieutenant with a Colonel? (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  7. Yes (6 votes [8.00%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 8.00%

  8. No (2 votes [2.67%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 2.67%

  9. Would you attack a Sergeant with a Major? (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  10. Yes (5 votes [6.67%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 6.67%

  11. No (4 votes [5.33%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 5.33%

  12. Would you attack a Miner with a Captain? (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  13. Yes (8 votes [10.67%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 10.67%

  14. No (1 votes [1.33%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 1.33%

  15. Would you attack a Scout with a Lieutenant? (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  16. Yes (9 votes [12.00%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 12.00%

  17. No (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  18. Would you attack a Lieutenant with a Major? (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  19. Yes (8 votes [10.67%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 10.67%

  20. No (1 votes [1.33%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 1.33%

Would you attack a Lieutenant with a General?

  1. Yes (2 votes [9.09%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 9.09%

  2. No (20 votes [90.91%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 90.91%

Would you attack a Sergeant with a Colonel?

  1. Yes (3 votes [2.08%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 2.08%

  2. No (16 votes [11.11%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 11.11%

  3. Would you attack a Major with a Marshall? (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  4. Yes (10 votes [6.94%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 6.94%

  5. No (9 votes [6.25%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 6.25%

  6. Would you attack a Major with a General? (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  7. Yes (19 votes [13.19%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 13.19%

  8. No (2 votes [1.39%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 1.39%

  9. Would you attack a Captain with a Colonel? (1 votes [0.69%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 0.69%

  10. Yes (19 votes [13.19%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 13.19%

  11. No (2 votes [1.39%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 1.39%

  12. Would you attack a Scout with a Captain? (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  13. Yes (12 votes [8.33%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 8.33%

  14. No (9 votes [6.25%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 6.25%

  15. Would you attack a Miner with a Major? (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  16. Yes (8 votes [5.56%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 5.56%

  17. No (13 votes [9.03%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 9.03%

  18. Would you attack a Flag with a Scout? :P (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  19. Yes (19 votes [13.19%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 13.19%

  20. No (2 votes [1.39%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 1.39%

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#1 Cannan

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Posted 07 May 2015 - 07:18 AM

What I mean by the title is that what would be a piece that you would attack in exchange for the knowledge of a high piece like a Marshall, General, Colonel, etc. 

Note that these would be made at the beginning of the game.


I was surprised when playing a game to find the opponent's flag in the front row. I would think guarded by bombs in the back row would make more sense.


#2 Kernel Mustard

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Posted 07 May 2015 - 07:32 AM

The problem with this poll is that the value of each piece changes based on your position in the game (where your pieces are in relation to your opponent's pieces), but more important is the number of pieces still in play.

 

If all majors are traded off, captains become more powerful than they were if the majors were still in play.

 

So, perhaps you should specify if this is the very beginning of the game or not.

 

Other than the problem mentioned though this sounds like an interesting poll :)

 

I'll vote assuming that we are talking about the very beginning of the game.


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#3 Cannan

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Posted 07 May 2015 - 07:40 AM

The problem with this poll is that the value of each piece changes based on your position in the game (where your pieces are in relation to your opponent's pieces), but more important is the number of pieces still in play.

 

If all majors are traded off, captains become more powerful than they were if the majors were still in play.

 

So, perhaps you should specify if this is the very beginning of the game or not.

 

Other than the problem mentioned though this sounds like an interesting poll :)

 

I'll vote assuming that we are talking about the very beginning of the game.

You voted correctly and yes I am talking about the very beginning of the game. 

~Cannan


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I was surprised when playing a game to find the opponent's flag in the front row. I would think guarded by bombs in the back row would make more sense.


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Posted 07 May 2015 - 12:33 PM

I'm stunned when high-ranking players (700+) take Captains early in the game w/ their Marshal. 


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Posted 07 May 2015 - 02:54 PM

In the beginning of the game, I would only attack a captain with another captain or a major. Revealing your Marshal early only to nab a captain is a huge mistake in my opinion.


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#6 Kernel Mustard

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Posted 07 May 2015 - 02:59 PM

In the beginning of the game, I would only attack a captain with another captain or a major. Revealing your Marshal early only to nab a captain is a huge mistake in my opinion.

Interestingly enough, I know a player who made it to 1040 on the ELO ranking, and he plays his Marshal early, and he will gladly take a captain with his marshal.

 

It's just a different way of playing, but it can work.



#7 Cannan

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Posted 07 May 2015 - 04:53 PM

I agree with Chewtoy and Sevenseas.


I was surprised when playing a game to find the opponent's flag in the front row. I would think guarded by bombs in the back row would make more sense.


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Posted 07 May 2015 - 05:04 PM

Sohal, the second best player on Stratego, wouldn't attack a Major with a General? Maybe I should rethink my gameplay...


I was surprised when playing a game to find the opponent's flag in the front row. I would think guarded by bombs in the back row would make more sense.


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Posted 07 May 2015 - 05:29 PM

Uh, oh. I just realized I put this in the Feedback section... :ph34r:


I was surprised when playing a game to find the opponent's flag in the front row. I would think guarded by bombs in the back row would make more sense.


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Posted 07 May 2015 - 07:44 PM

Interestingly enough, I know a player who made it to 1040 on the ELO ranking, and he plays his Marshal early, and he will gladly take a captain with his marshal.

 

It's just a different way of playing, but it can work.

 

 

Yeah, you do that as well.

Still don't understand how you can have such a rating with very average stats like yours.

So you win all your topgames against the high silvers and you lose against low silvers, bronze marshes or what?

Just doesn't make any sense to me, it's impossible.

 

There are lots of other accounts btw with a win percentage of only 30 percent and yet they have 750 or more......

I just don't understand how they do this.

So first they lose on purpose their first hundred games or so (doesn't make any sense?) and then suddenly they win everything and they climb superfast???

 

I know one thing,...I played you, it wasn't that impressive at all, you got a lucky win thanks to my mistake, not because of your skills so if you can reach that rating fairly with those stats, I must be able to do the same.

Yet I just can't reach eighthundred and my stats are about the same as yours.

 

 

Blows my mind :)


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#11 sevenseas

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Posted 07 May 2015 - 08:34 PM

Yeah, you do that as well.

Still don't understand how you can have such a rating with very average stats like yours.

So you win all your topgames against the high silvers and you lose against low silvers, bronze marshes or what?

Just doesn't make any sense to me, it's impossible.

 

There are lots of other accounts btw with a win percentage of only 30 percent and yet they have 750 or more......

I just don't understand how they do this.

So first they lose on purpose their first hundred games or so (doesn't make any sense?) and then suddenly they win everything and they climb superfast???

 

I know one thing,...I played you, it wasn't that impressive at all, you got a lucky win thanks to my mistake, not because of your skills so if you can reach that rating fairly with those stats, I must be able to do the same.

Yet I just can't reach eighthundred and my stats are about the same as yours.

 

 

Blows my mind :)

IChallengeLosers (now "Challenger!") has a low percentage on purpose because he was looking for cheaters (I think).  I don't think anyone else in the silver league has a sub 50% record. 

 

It doesn't matter how KM plays. He's a high ranked player, if it works for him then that's great.

 

Didn't you also say Sohal was a bad player once, too? Lol. If you're calling all these top players terrible or "average" why aren't you ranked #1?


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Posted 07 May 2015 - 08:55 PM

Yeah, you do that as well.

Still don't understand how you can have such a rating with very average stats like yours.

So you win all your topgames against the high silvers and you lose against low silvers, bronze marshes or what?

Just doesn't make any sense to me, it's impossible.

 

There are lots of other accounts btw with a win percentage of only 30 percent and yet they have 750 or more......

I just don't understand how they do this.

So first they lose on purpose their first hundred games or so (doesn't make any sense?) and then suddenly they win everything and they climb superfast???

 

I know one thing,...I played you, it wasn't that impressive at all, you got a lucky win thanks to my mistake, not because of your skills so if you can reach that rating fairly with those stats, I must be able to do the same.

Yet I just can't reach eighthundred and my stats are about the same as yours.

 

 

Blows my mind :)

 

Interestingly enough, I know a player who made it to 1040 on the ELO ranking, and he plays his Marshal early, and he will gladly take a captain with his marshal.

 

It's just a different way of playing, but it can work.

I'd rather keep a Marshal unknown so I can kill it w/ my Spy when it's still unknown. 


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Posted 07 May 2015 - 09:04 PM

Maybe this is an unrelated topic adding onto what Chewtoy said, but I do find people are a lot more defensive with their Marshal once it is revealed wary of the unsuspecting spy. I find that behaviour odd.


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#14 Midnightguy

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Posted 07 May 2015 - 10:01 PM

Not enough information for me to answer any of those questions. Is the game early or late?  How many units do you have or your opponent has?  What is the position of your flag or his?  



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Posted 07 May 2015 - 10:07 PM

IChallengeLosers (now "Challenger!") has a low percentage on purpose because he was looking for cheaters (I think).  I don't think anyone else in the silver league has a sub 50% record. 

 

It doesn't matter how KM plays. He's a high ranked player, if it works for him then that's great.

 

Didn't you also say Sohal was a bad player once, too? Lol. If you're calling all these top players terrible or "average" why aren't you ranked #1?

 

Yo dude,

 

You would be surprised how many accounts are below the fifty percent, no joke goof!

They're known noobs and their  losses are so huge, no proof? 

Then tell me, what does it show you? It's no good, it's so rude and groce too

and it's certainely not the way it's supposed to....

 

BE

 

 

Plus when I flow the schemes, you know I do it ferociously

so you see and don't start about Sohal and his low asteam

cuz' the only way he won, was through MY mistake so he surely doesn't own the scene!

I also don't understand why you relate him with the lowest deeds

of provoking peepz who clearly show the cheats?!

He's got nothing to do with this just like Trickz but yet you also noticed me!

Is it a cry for attention? Then it's hopeless geek

plus I never mentionned you so we speak cuz' it's groce you see!

 

And yes, my rhymes are dope indeed.

Peace and I give you loads of greetz!  :D


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Posted 07 May 2015 - 11:22 PM

Not enough information for me to answer any of those questions. Is the game early or late?  How many units do you have or your opponent has?  What is the position of your flag or his?  

 

 

I am talking about the very beginning of the game. 

~Cannan

 

Canaan, a couple interesting questions you left out would be 1) Would you attack a captain with a general?, and 2) Would you attack a lieutenant with a colonel?  I would be yes, and yes on those.

 



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Posted 08 May 2015 - 12:34 AM

 

 

 

Canaan, a couple interesting questions you left out would be 1) Would you attack a captain with a general?, and 2) Would you attack a lieutenant with a colonel?  I would be yes, and yes on those.

 

 

Yes, I agree 100%. But there are not enough choice left.


I was surprised when playing a game to find the opponent's flag in the front row. I would think guarded by bombs in the back row would make more sense.


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Posted 08 May 2015 - 03:19 AM

Yo dude,

 

You would be surprised how many accounts are below the fifty percent, no joke goof!

They're known noobs and their  losses are so huge, no proof? 

Then tell me, what does it show you? It's no good, it's so rude and groce too

and it's certainely not the way it's supposed to....

 

BE

 

 

Plus when I flow the schemes, you know I do it ferociously

so you see and don't start about Sohal and his low asteam

cuz' the only way he won, was through MY mistake so he surely doesn't own the scene!

I also don't understand why you relate him with the lowest deeds

of provoking peepz who clearly show the cheats?!

He's got nothing to do with this just like Trickz but yet you also noticed me!

Is it a cry for attention? Then it's hopeless geek

plus I never mentionned you so we speak cuz' it's groce you see!

 

And yes, my rhymes are dope indeed.

Peace and I give you loads of greetz!  :D

How old are you? Just curious. 


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#19 tobermoryx

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Posted 12 May 2015 - 03:34 AM

Yeah, you do that as well.

Still don't understand how you can have such a rating with very average stats like yours.

So you win all your topgames against the high silvers and you lose against low silvers, bronze marshes or what?

Just doesn't make any sense to me, it's impossible.

 

The 'stats' , the W/L record , are meaningless next to the ELO rating. .Kernel Mustard has played 1500 games , most of those games will have no impact on his ELO as the rating is mostly determined by the last 100 or so . Him losing to bronze marshals or whatever 300 games ago when he was not so good no longer affect his rating .According to the list Napoleon makes he was on about 800 a few months back so he has just improved his game. Now he is rated 1000+ he probably wins almost every game he plays so he will not have a 64% Win for the last 100, which is what counts.

 

He could stop playing on Kernel M and start a new account and after 100 games his record would be about 96:4 .Then he would have 'great stats' . Would you think he is a better player then ? Would he be better ? . Well no he would just be the same as 100 games mostly versus much lower players probably wouldn't improve him..

 

People with impressive win %  70/80+ are either....

 

1) People who were already brilliant players before they joined here due to years of high level experience in the game.

 

2) People who have reached 700 or whatever ELO by gradually improving but want to disguise the fact they took hundreds of losses to get that good,  so they start a new account and get their W/L to 20:0 then 50:10 , 75:25 etc until their Win % falls below 60 as they reach their level and then probably start over again .

 

W/L stats are meaningless really .Not least as they include challenge matches and if Kernel M   when he was rated 750 - was playing lots against players at 950 he would have lost most of those . Some people prefer to just get a string of wins vs much lower players and then become demoralized when it gets tougher , but i guess they have great stats .

 

I also played Kernel Mustard and again it was a long game and he didn't just crush me in 10 minutes . But i also played a couple of others in top 10 and again the games were long and close , but those players if they just get a lieutenant or something ahead ,as long as they can guess your high pieces ,which they usually seem able to do , they are always in control .


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Posted 12 May 2015 - 11:46 AM

KM had a win ratio of 52% in january that has raised to 64% now. This means an average win ratio since january of around 80%. This sudden change of win ratio from 52 to 80 is still a mystery to me. Maybe KM has an answer?
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