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#1 7up

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 08:30 PM

Even for good players it's hard to beat players who use -- link removed by admin to prevent people of getting ideas --

We should make it remain visible for everybody.



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Posted 19 February 2013 - 09:04 PM

I would have suggested contacting an admin privately about this, rather than posting a way to cheat on the forums for all to see. If you have looked through the forums, you will no doubt have seen that remain visible as a game option has been brought up already.


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Posted 19 February 2013 - 09:16 PM

I would have suggested contacting an admin privately about this, rather than posting a way to cheat on the forums for all to see. If you have looked through the forums, you will no doubt have seen that remain visible as a game option has been brought up already.

 

Agreed. I consider this semi-cheating. Memory is part of the game. Like the terms of use suggest: any way or tool to win other than your very own strategy is considered cheating.


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Posted 19 February 2013 - 09:30 PM

This disgusts me.


I have quit the site until the cheating players are dealt with.


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Posted 19 February 2013 - 09:38 PM

I don't like this idea either.
It's a thinkgame so you have to be focussed and have a good memory to stay on track where is which piece.
This is a hard game so it demands a lot. Pieces are only visible if you attack them.

I think it's just the beauty of the game that you can shuffle with your pawns so many times that the opponent gets confused and doesn't know anymore which pawn he detected as the marshall.
It's part of the game and it can happen to anyone that you lose track of a high officer....
It happened to me several times but yeah,....it's my own fault :)
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#6 Lt. Jones

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 09:50 PM

Nee, ik ben zeker geen voorstander van deze topic, ik raad het ten zeerste af. Dit is een soort van geheugenspel en het moet worden behouden in zijn charmes. Dergelijke zaken in verband houdend met dit zal stratego in de toekomst minder populair maken. Ik hoop dat niemand dit zal gebruiken. In der beginne jaren '60, toen het spel werd uitgegeven en voor het eerst werd gespeeld, bestond dit ook niet dus waarom nu wel ?

 

Sorry for the English speaking people but this one I couldn't translate to English.

 

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 10:05 PM

@Lt. Jones


No, I'm certainly not in favour of this topic and I strongly advice for not doing it.
This is kind of a memory game and it should be maintained like that with its charms.
Any related subjects will make Stratego less popular in the future.
I hope that no one will use this. This tool also didn't exist in the beginning of the sixties when the game was licensed and became playable for the first time so why would it be now?

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 10:10 PM

@Lt. Jones


No, I'm certainly not in favour of this topic and I strongly advice for not doing it.
This is kind of a memory game and it should be maintained like that with its charms.
Any related subjects will make Stratego less popular in the future.
I hope that no one will use this. This tool also didn't exist in the beginning of the sixties when the game was licensed and became playable for the first time so why would it be now?

:)

Thx Trickz for the translation. So you're Flemish as well? 



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Posted 19 February 2013 - 10:23 PM

Memorizing pieces and bluffing is what makes Stratego the game that we all love.  What's next?  Use a divider to hide how we setup our pieces remove divider and show where all our pieces are at?  Might as well play chess then.


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Posted 19 February 2013 - 10:28 PM

Thx Trickz for the translation. So you're Flemish as well? 

 

I thought trickz was from the french part of belgium, but does understand Dutch very well. (I base this on a private conversation which was done in english)


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Posted 19 February 2013 - 10:34 PM

I thought trickz was from the french part of belgium, but does understand Dutch very well. (I base this on a private conversation which was done in english)

 

Ik zou het niet weten (English: I wouldn't know) 



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Posted 19 February 2013 - 10:57 PM

Je ziet m'n vlag toch? :)
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 03:23 AM

Lt. Jones wrote:

In der beginne jaren '60, toen het spel werd uitgegeven en voor het eerst werd gespeeld, bestond dit ook niet dus waarom nu wel ?

(In the beginning of the 60s, when the game was released and was first played, this was not so why now?)

 

Thank you for your question Lt. Jones.  Back in the days they didn't have the technology to make pieces remain visible.
Now they don't have the technology to hide revealed pieces.
That is why the future belongs to remain visible.
Remain visible is also more attractive to new players who learn the game today or tomorrow.
 



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Posted 20 February 2013 - 03:49 AM

7up, that's just nonsense.
You want to change a 100-year old boardgame because of the future?
Reveal by attack, then remember, end of discussion.

We don't need new players,...we need players who love Stratego.
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 09:04 AM

Well said trickz! Changing the game isn't what we need. If it is a problem, I'm sure that the staff can make something that blocks this add-on/application. Would it be possible? I don't know anything about programming.


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Posted 20 February 2013 - 11:52 AM

Well said trickz! Changing the game isn't what we need. If it is a problem, I'm sure that the staff can make something that blocks this add-on/application. Would it be possible? I don't know anything about programming.

 

Nope. As I see it, the memorizer is a standalone application since it can apply a complete overlay over the screen. A web-based flash-applet (like Stratego.com) is unable to influence a users computer in such a way, since then it would be really really easy for a programmer to hack any system. This is only possible if you install stand-alone applications at driver-level (kernel-level) on each PC this site is to run. Examples of such software are STEAM from Valve and Ubiplay. But even those can be fooled again by other software, and so on and so on.

 

If the memorizer is webbased though, it would be possible, since every installed add-on or toolbar is identifiable by  any website.


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#17 Lt. Jones

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 01:25 PM

Je ziet m'n vlag toch? :)

Tuurlijk, maar je hebt 3 delen hé in dat kleine land van ons. 

Ofcourse, but you have 3 parts in our little country of ours. 



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Posted 20 February 2013 - 01:52 PM

Tuurlijk, maar je hebt 3 delen hé in dat kleine land van ons. 

Ofcourse, but you have 3 parts in our little country of ours. 

 

Leg mij eens uit (als Nederlander) wat de 3 delen dan zijn? Ik ken er maar 2: Vlaanderen en Wallonië? Ik voel me even niet slim  :P


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Posted 20 February 2013 - 01:59 PM

En het Duitstalige gedeelte dan?
En nee, ik ben niet van Eupen. Master Yoda wel :)
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 02:16 PM

En het Duitstalige gedeelte dan?
En nee, ik ben niet van Eupen. Master Yoda wel :)

 

Duitstalige Belgen? Het moet niet veel gekker worden haha. Alleen aan de grens zeker? Maar da's logisch; dat hebben we in Nederland ook.


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