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#81 GaryLShelton

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Posted 12 March 2015 - 12:15 AM

whocaresman, the MT has ruled in your favor. You will reveive 13 points for your draw differential. Player davidcupples will have 50 points deducted from his rank for refusing a valid draw. A second offense here is a complete reset.
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Draw Refusal Rules, specifically, can be read here: http://forum.strateg...604#entry339604

#82 JoshJesh

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Posted 12 March 2015 - 06:32 PM

Hi again,

This is a clear case of draw refusal - from last month - against "KISS IT"

 

https://www.dropbox....RZ653MawIa?dl=0



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Posted 12 March 2015 - 09:49 PM

Hi JoshJesh. The MT will open a case for you against Kiss It. It will take a few days.

The complete GS&F Rules can be found here: http://forum.strateg...rum-rules-2016/

Draw Refusal Rules, specifically, can be read here: http://forum.strateg...604#entry339604

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Posted 12 March 2015 - 11:16 PM

I'm fairly new on here but here goes. I have had several cases of draw refusals I would have liked to have brought but I'm not very tech savvy. I have graduated (thanks to my better half) to being able to take screen images on the ipad. Can someone please advise how I attach them here so I can at least ask you to adjudicate on the two latest cases ?

 

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#85 John Basilone

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Posted 13 March 2015 - 05:20 PM

 https://drive.google...ZODg&authuser=0

 

Olymbios refused a clear draw. He had one movable piece, a scout.  I had two: Marshal and General and my flag was protected by bombs.  I warned him that it as poor sportsmanship to refuse a draw under these circumstances and I wound up surrendering.  

 

I have better screenshots but could not figure out how to upload them.



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Posted 14 March 2015 - 12:33 PM

John Basilone, please visit the link found under general Discussion for information on how to make and post screenshots to the forum. You can also simply click here: http://forum.strateg...ad-screenshots/. Also note all the various web hosting services other players are using for more ideas.

Note further that the link in your post above does not go straight to an image. It should. You also may want to review what is written in the General Site and Forum Rules for draw refusal screenshots. Here's a link to that: http://forum.strateg...rum-rules-2014/

The complete GS&F Rules can be found here: http://forum.strateg...rum-rules-2016/

Draw Refusal Rules, specifically, can be read here: http://forum.strateg...604#entry339604

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Posted 14 March 2015 - 12:36 PM

Can someone please advise how I attach them here so I can at least ask you to adjudicate on the two latest cases ?
 
Much obliged
 
Nick


See what I wrote to John Basilone above. Good luck.

The complete GS&F Rules can be found here: http://forum.strateg...rum-rules-2016/

Draw Refusal Rules, specifically, can be read here: http://forum.strateg...604#entry339604

#88 GaryLShelton

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Posted 14 March 2015 - 12:41 PM

Hi again,
This is a clear case of draw refusal - from last month - against "KISS IT"
 
https://www.dropbox....RZ653MawIa?dl=0


The MT has ruled that player Kiss It violated the rules on draw refusal. This is a first offense and Kiss It will have 50 points deducted from his rank, and JoshJesh 13 points restored for the difference between a loss and a draw, all pending administrative action.

The complete GS&F Rules can be found here: http://forum.strateg...rum-rules-2016/

Draw Refusal Rules, specifically, can be read here: http://forum.strateg...604#entry339604

#89 whocaresman

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Posted 14 March 2015 - 11:10 PM

Hi again, I am writing about my previous cases.  I noticed after my previous case about davidcupples I have not yet received my 13 points, and davidcupples has not been penalized as I can still see his name/rating.  I realize it may take time, however, it has been more than 72 hours since I saw they ruled in my favor.  What is going on with this?  It also makes me wonder if the previous opponent I reported ever got penalized, however, I can't see his name/rating (kiss1966) so I don't know.  What is going on with this?  Thank you. 



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Posted 15 March 2015 - 06:20 AM

Hi again, I am writing about my previous cases.  I noticed after my previous case about davidcupples I have not yet received my 13 points, and davidcupples has not been penalized as I can still see his name/rating.  I realize it may take time, however, it has been more than 72 hours since I saw they ruled in my favor.  What is going on with this?  It also makes me wonder if the previous opponent I reported ever got penalized, however, I can't see his name/rating (kiss1966) so I don't know.  What is going on with this?  Thank you. 

 

Admins have been notified of the MT's judgments on both these cases.  Just like you, we are waiting for them to carry out these actions.  Sometimes they are busy with other things and it takes longer.



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Posted 15 March 2015 - 04:17 PM

Ok, here goes, I hope you can view these. He has one moveable piece - a major. I can't access his flag in the corner and he can't access mine. We went around and around in circles for nearly two hours. You can see he has rejected all my tie requests and in the battlechat I am saying it's a draw. He even began to take the full 15 seconds to move just to irritate. I hadn't read the rules on draw refusals at the time so I'm afraid I did not take an image of the defeat screen

 

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Posted 15 March 2015 - 04:26 PM

Case number 2 :

 

He has a Major and a Scout to my Colonel and Captain. As you can see there is no way in for him but he sent me a message saying 'you are going to have to guess'. We went around in circles for about 10 minutes and rather than proceed for another 2 hours I guessed with the Captain (wrongly) and then resigned and photographed the defeat screen. Please restore some of my faith but restore it fully and programme in an autodraw function !

 

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Posted 15 March 2015 - 08:35 PM

Spyros77, the MT has opened a case for you against Zannis.

Any feedback please?



#94 GaryLShelton

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Posted 16 March 2015 - 11:51 PM

Any feedback please?



Still currently in debate, Spyros77.

The complete GS&F Rules can be found here: http://forum.strateg...rum-rules-2016/

Draw Refusal Rules, specifically, can be read here: http://forum.strateg...604#entry339604

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Posted 17 March 2015 - 12:04 AM

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tafkas42, unless I am missing something here, I only see two screenshots. Both images are of clear ties, that is true. And you do show a grayed-out tie button in the one picture. But beyond these two things there appears to be no time information to show what happened when, except for what you state occurred. For all we know you offered all three tie requests in a one minute time frame, for example. (Not likely. :)) Although you possibly have a valid complaint against your opponent, unfortunately your screenshots must bear out what you are claiming. If you have more evidence here that I am not seeing, let us know. I am disinclined to open a case for you now, since I do not feel your screens prove what you say.

Nevertheless, I will check with the others to see if there is interest in your claim.

Note that you do not have time stamps on either screen. This must be the case to prove guilt of your opponent. I suggest you read the link I gave above for draw refusal proof.

The complete GS&F Rules can be found here: http://forum.strateg...rum-rules-2016/

Draw Refusal Rules, specifically, can be read here: http://forum.strateg...604#entry339604

#96 GaryLShelton

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Posted 17 March 2015 - 12:13 AM

Please restore some of my faith but restore it fully and programme in an autodraw function !
 


Amen, tafkas42. There are lots of choir members for this feature!

The complete GS&F Rules can be found here: http://forum.strateg...rum-rules-2016/

Draw Refusal Rules, specifically, can be read here: http://forum.strateg...604#entry339604

#97 GaryLShelton

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Posted 17 March 2015 - 03:55 AM

Case number 2 :

He has a Major and a Scout to my Colonel and Captain.

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tafkas42, the MT will open a case though I must point out that here too you have unfortunately given us no time on your screens.

The complete GS&F Rules can be found here: http://forum.strateg...rum-rules-2016/

Draw Refusal Rules, specifically, can be read here: http://forum.strateg...604#entry339604

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Posted 17 March 2015 - 08:46 PM

....
If my case is solid, i would like my 14 points back please

Thank you


The MT has decided to award 13 points to Dr_Ell SuPreme for his game against Sylvia88, but no action will be taken against Sylvia88 as it was not felt enough evidence was shown to demonstrate unsportsmanlike behavior on the part of the latter.

Note that the award is always 13 points, and not 14, as that is the difference between a loss and a draw.
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The complete GS&F Rules can be found here: http://forum.strateg...rum-rules-2016/

Draw Refusal Rules, specifically, can be read here: http://forum.strateg...604#entry339604

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Posted 18 March 2015 - 01:10 AM

Hi people... I would like to report ABSH  for refusing a clear draw... However, although I had the will and time to make screenshots of my tie proposals and his refusals, I made some mistakes in saving the screenshots, so this case might not be so clear as it supposed to be, and I don't expect this to be resolved in my favour... The main reason I'm doing this is to warn you guys again about this guy who has been reported so many times before for refusing draws ...

 

About that how I managed to make this mistake, actually I don't know what happened... :) When I opened screenshots I realized that I didn't save them well... The only thing that I can think of that could be the cause is that after I paste the next screenshot into the Paint I didn't undo paste of previous, so it might be overwrited or smt, I really don't know...

 

Anyhow, here are the screenshots and what happened in game...

 

http://i.imgur.com/jICjAZQ.png

http://i.imgur.com/ysI2m9v.png

http://i.imgur.com/ALW6vHu.png

http://i.imgur.com/Uxl1QEf.png

http://i.imgur.com/dkxkLEx.png

http://i.imgur.com/dwymI3h.png

http://i.imgur.com/JbPVRpj.png

 

As you can see from the first screenshot I was only left with a Colo, and he had Marsh, a Major and a Lieut... So, no miners for him and a sealed flag for me... Cuz he had no intention of doing anything but blocking my Colo of passing towards his last row, I made the first draw proposal which he refused, and what can be seen in that first screenshot... After ten minutes I made another one which he also refused... After another ten minutes I made the last one, and after he refused that one, I surrendered...

 

What you can't see in this screenshots is how much time elapsed between my draw proposals... But based on the position of pieces, you can clearly see that these are screenshots of different draw proposals... Also, based on the number of moves that have been made in the game you can conclude that a large number of moves were made cuz I was waiting 10 minutes to pass between two draw proposals so I could take a screenshot...

 

As I said, I don't hope for a favourable outcome for me, but taking all this into consideration I expect some response from mods on this issue... Tnx


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Posted 18 March 2015 - 02:58 AM

 

As I said, I don't hope for a favourable outcome for me, but taking all this into consideration I expect some response from mods on this issue... Tnx

I totally think you have enough evidence here, I hope you get your points back. You made a good point about the total moves. 1386? That does not seem normal to me. And you even have evidence that you lost the game. I don't think you need time stamps to tell that this was a draw refusal. 

 

As for the cutting off of the screenshots I noticed that you can accidentally do that in paint if you are trying to re-size the screenshots, so that's not suspicious to me.


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