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#61 Gaius Marius

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Posted 10 March 2015 - 09:54 PM

So is Art going to be punished for the screenshot I took.  Been a long time with no ruling.


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#62 GaryLShelton

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Posted 11 March 2015 - 03:46 AM

Gaius, sorry. This was not reported here but was already sent to the admins and Art. was banned for one month. His ban will be lifted April 3rd.

His next offense within 12 months will be a permanent ban.

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#63 General Nollij

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Posted 14 March 2015 - 12:25 AM

Here's a real gem of a player. I've played him multiple times now, and he uses basically the same setup every time. So this time I decide to crush him right off the bat after my scouts confirmed the front row bombs, and I wipe out 1/4 of his board with a major. This is his response. (Does he think I can't look up any foreign words online?)

Attached File  kwstas27.jpg   38.99KB   117 downloads

I have a new approach for players like these: if you act like a edited for language to me, I'll start treating you like one. Here is his setup, or at least the parts I remember.

Attached File  kwstas27 setup.png   18.11KB   95 downloads

For any future edited for language I meet, I will start posting as much of their setup as I can remember, along with documentation of their behavior.
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#64 GaryLShelton

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Posted 14 March 2015 - 01:49 AM

General Nollij, the MT will open a case against your opponent here but next time be advised to report it more civilly yourself.

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#65 GaryLShelton

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Posted 14 March 2015 - 12:01 PM

The MT has found player kwstas27 to be overly abusive in his language in the game with General Nollij to the point of a second degree offense. Pending administrative action player kwstas27 will be banned for one week.

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#66 KARAISKAKIS

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Posted 14 March 2015 - 01:34 PM

Rudeone? Any decision  yet?



#67 General Nollij

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Posted 14 March 2015 - 07:25 PM

General Nollij, the MT will open a case against your opponent here but next time be advised to report it more civilly yourself.


Gary, you crack me up every time you post. Everything you write is so funny to me. "Be advised"?

You guys treat this forum like it's the communication headquarters for the United Nations council, when all it is is another online forum for an underdeveloped web version of a BOARD GAME. This is a freakin' board game forum, yet you parade around with this false sense of managerial pomp. Case in point:

Why on earth is it necessary to censor the phrase "worthless piece of"? And edited for language

If I censor it myself, why do you feel compelled to take it further? And why replace it with this overly formal, self-indulgent edited for language bit, when all you have to do is replace it with asterisks?

The funniest thing is that it's okay to post screenshots of players named edited for language and players calling each other "brother truckers" (again, I've provided censorship, no further action needed), but when we write the exact same thing, suddenly it needs to be removed.

I swear, you guys get your rocks off to this fabricated sense of self-importance you have for being on the moderating team. Editing or deleting this post would further prove that and reflect very poorly on you. If you want to have a managerial role, you must accept the criticism that comes with it.

Lastly, I never asked for you guys to "open a case" (are you the FBI?) against him. I'd actually prefer to to keep him around, as he's an easy victory every time I match up with him. I simply posted it here to let others know about this scumbag. (Note to moderators: please don't censor "scumbag")



#68 GaryLShelton

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Posted 15 March 2015 - 12:40 AM

General Nollij, you are entitled to your opinions but you can't go around expressing them vulgarly. If you want to truly self censor, them you need to use a few more asterisks. Leaving a few letters to get around the filter so that, ironically, you can claim abusive language by another player is not the way to get your point across. If you don't mind such language why complain about the other guy?

And by the way, opening cases against wrongdoers that are presented to us is what we do as moderators. The next time you really don't want us to act against an opponent of yours, don't post it for all to see.

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#69 josephwhite

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Posted 15 March 2015 - 02:41 AM

Here's another one of kwstas27 today. It's not too bad, but considering that this site caters for kids, its not good to have this kind of communication from players.

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#70 Mr. Smith

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Posted 15 March 2015 - 02:46 AM

This guy was not amused to lose his marsh and his gen 3 minutes after the start of the game.

 

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#71 Aris1970

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Posted 15 March 2015 - 09:00 AM

Kwstas27 must be banned for his vulgar behaviour !!!   
Kwstas27 insults in his games :

http://i.imgur.com/wqaxpLA.png

http://i.imgur.com/qleZYgW.png

http://i.imgur.com/vRP8kDK.png

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http://i.imgur.com/Ch6YXa0.png

http://i.imgur.com/HyIB5a6.png

http://i.imgur.com/1mORTEp.png

 

Πριν λιγες  μερες  με  ειχε  βρισει  και  στον πρωτο μου λογαρισμό Aris1970. Επισης και  στο παρελθόν ειχε  κανει τα  ιδια αλλα δεν κρατησα screenshots, σε  ενα  απο τα  τελευταία παιχνίδια  μας πριν ξεκινήσει  το game  του λέω .... αν ειναι να  με βρισεις μολις  χασεις  το ματς  πες  το  μου απο τωρα  να πατησω σημαια  και  να φύγω ......  εννοειται στο τέλος  αρχισε  παλι  τα  δικά του....

Προσωπικά εμένα με εχει  βρίσει 4-5 φορές , θυμαμαι οτι εχει βρισει και τον Kosta2506 ....πριν μερικούς  μήνες υπηρχαν ποσταρισμένα screenshots με  τις βρισιές του. Επίσης αρκετοι εχουν αναφέρει για την χυδαία και απαράδεκτη συμπεριφορά του  συγκεκριμένου Έλληνα παίκτη (Kwstas27). Οσοι απο εσας  εχετε  κρατησει καποια screenshots ας τα συγκεντρωσουμε εδω ώστε να το καταγγείλουμε στο topic Topics of Abusive Behavior (2015):

 

Here's another one of kwstas27 today. It's not too bad, but considering that this site caters for kids, its not good to have this kind of communication from players.

.kwstas27abusivechat.png

 

Here's a real gem of a player. I've played him multiple times now, and he uses basically the same setup every time. So this time I decide to crush him right off the bat after my scouts confirmed the front row bombs, and I wipe out 1/4 of his board with a major. This is his response. (Does he think I can't look up any foreign words online?)

attachicon.gifkwstas27.jpg

I have a new approach for players like these: if you act like a edited for language to me, I'll start treating you like one. Here is his setup, or at least the parts I remember.

attachicon.gifkwstas27 setup.png

For any future edited for language I meet, I will start posting as much of their setup as I can remember, along with documentation of their behavior.



#72 PatMcG

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Posted 15 March 2015 - 03:45 PM

Unfortunately i could not write in this forum with my facebook-account, which i used to play till now. So this is a new account. My old one is Username Great Pat McGuiness.

To be honest, i am really frustrated about the way the majority of players behave. It's not a small minority which disconnects after losing and which doesn't accept a draw, when it clearly is one, it is a majority. This should alarm all the admins and developers.

Yesterday i played against a guy called name removed, no proof given, who didn't accept a clear draw. We were both just moving around our strongest units. Miners were all removed and my flag was bombed. A clear draw, he knew that as he wrote in the chat, but he played until i quit. Why should i waste my time with idiots like him? On the other hand i hate to give these kind of people an irregular win.
I didn't make screenshots.

Now i played a game against a guy named name removed, no proof given. No miners, my flag bombed, spies out,he was simply chasing my
marshal around. I told him that i know i have to stay on the inside. He didn't accept a draw.

Dear Stratego-Team, why don't you simply integrate a feature, that a game ends draw, if there is no piece captured after a number of sequent moves? Is it so hard to integrate?

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Posted 15 March 2015 - 11:48 PM

General Nollij, you are entitled to your opinions but you can't go around expressing them vulgarly. If you want to truly self censor, them you need to use a few more asterisks.

 

If you don't mind such language why complain about the other guy?

The next time you really don't want us to act against an opponent of yours, don't post it for all to see.

 

Again Gary, you make me laugh. First off, the concept of "vulgar" is a purely subjective one. What's vulgar to one person differs from what's vulgar to another. If you're the only one waltzing around here censoring people, maybe it's you that needs to re-examine what is "vulgar". Good luck finding someone else here that believes the words "worthless" and "piece" require censoring. 

 

"Use a few more asterisks"? This is yet another purely subjective issue. That you think your opinion of how many asterisks are needed is the gold standard shows just how lost you are in your delusion of grandeur. I believe that my number of asterisks was certainly enough and with those asterisks my language never crossed into being vulgar, and my opinion is no less important than yours. 

 

I share my experiences of other idiots not to complain, but to reveal to the public of who they really are. I believe that players who act like idiots should be well-known for their infantile behavior. I will continue to post these experiences as they happen. 



#74 GaryLShelton

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Posted 16 March 2015 - 07:40 AM

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Dear Stratego-Team, why don't you simply integrate a feature, that a game ends draw, if there is no piece captured after a number of sequent moves? Is it so hard to integrate?


PatMcG this had been talked about in the past, and a consensus of 200 moves total for both players without a capture on either side was always discussed to be tried. Unfortunately, precious little has been achieved on the site in three years so until the day happens when that changes, our best solution is for you to show us screenshots and prove your case.

In the meantime it is against the rules to state names in cases of cheating, draw refusal, or abusive language and do so without proof. Feel free to bring up the names you mention if you can do so with evidence.

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#75 GaryLShelton

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Posted 16 March 2015 - 08:08 AM

Pending administrative approval player KISS1966 will be banned for one month for abusive language in pm to aphanai.

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#76 General Nollij

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Posted 17 March 2015 - 12:34 AM

Gary,

 

You need to stop deleting my posts simply because you disagree with them. A moderator cannot delete a post because it goes against their opinion. If this forum continues deleting posts that run contrary to the opinions of the moderators and allows only the posts that they agree with, then this place becomes no different than a country's national news outlet that is censored by an oppressive dictator. The entire purpose of an online forum is to encourage discussion, which inevitably leads to a difference of opinions on certain topics. But that's a good thing - if there were no varying opinions, then it wouldn't be a forum, it would be another banal fan page. 

 

This topic is called "Topics of Abusive Behavior". Your deleting of my posts indicates that you consider my posts abusive (your opinion), and I consider your actions as moderator to be abusive (my opinion), so this is the perfect place to openly discuss this. The potential abuse of moderating power on online forums is an important topic and needs to be publicly debated. 

 

To recap my last post that was deleted:

 

1. I wrote that I felt the term "vulgar" was a subjective one, and what constitutes vulgarity varies from person to person. I suggested that if one moderator is doing all of the censoring on the basis of "vulgarity", then perhaps their definition of vulgar is an outlier among the moderators, and therefore shouldn't be the standard by which the forum operates. 

 

2. I wrote that the same goes for the number of asterisks needed to properly self-censor words - it is a subjective matter. One moderator cannot privately decide that their opinion on the matter is the correct one. (It should be a discussion among all moderators with a majority consensus being the rule used and added to the forum rules.)

 

3. Lastly, I said that my purpose for posting instances where I came across people behaving like fools was to make known to other players what to expect from this person. 

 

 

All three of these points PERFECTLY apply to this topic of "Abusive behavior", as they examine the core of what defines abusive language, which certainly falls under "abusive behavior". There is not a better place on this forum for me to be posting this. 

 

I personally don't have a problem using colorful language when it helps get my point across. I find it adds an appropriate emphasis that other words fail to do. I DO have a problem with using colorful language when directly said to someone in a 1-on-1 situation like a game chatbox. But because I know some other people don't like seeing that language online, I use what I consider to be an appropriate amount of asterisks (as there's no guideline or standard written anywhere on this forum) in order to get my point across while still being reasonably respectful to others. 

 

My last thought is that the Internet to me is like the old Wild West. You can visit it hoping to see some utopian society where all is pure, but when you find out that that's not the case, don't blame anyone for it. What did you expect? It's the Wild West.



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Posted 19 March 2015 - 07:25 PM

Hi,

I have some proof on player ,,ColgateSix,,:

 

http://i.imgur.com/OdaTefS.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/AI45y7O.jpg

 

This is obvious abusive behavior and it's from the start as you can see, so please moderators discuss this one :) Thank you


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Posted 19 March 2015 - 09:25 PM

CAPSFAN08 sent a non stop tirade of abuse when I took a chance and knocked out a high value piece.

 

 

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Posted 19 March 2015 - 10:02 PM

Hi,

I have some proof on player ,,ColgateSix,,:

 

http://i.imgur.com/OdaTefS.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/AI45y7O.jpg

 

This is obvious abusive behavior and it's from the start as you can see, so please moderators discuss this one :) Thank you

 

Man, put some defence to your right, one drunk Major could kill half of your army there! :P :lol:


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#80 GaryLShelton

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Posted 19 March 2015 - 11:48 PM

General Nollij, don't blow the case up any more than what it is. Only one post, and not more than one, was hidden. That post was hidden because it was predominantly argumentative and not substantive. It could have been edited instead, but as a hide is less damaging to the post than an editing I chose to hide the entire offering instead. I perceived you then, and still do, to be mostly arguing in that post, and so I was quite within my rights as a moderator to hide what you wrote. The General Forum rule that I was following and that has been around longer than I have was penned by Ash back in 2012. It reads:

"Do not:...Openly argue with a moderator. Contact the Moderator via a private message"

Now if there's anything doubtful about that, you need to reread it. If that rule is not to your liking, then you can press for its change, but it is still in effect.

Here's the thing. I'm not bothered by you posting things against me, and I won't hide behind that rule. In fact I'm going to unhide your entire post to illustrate that. But this in no way means I accept your specious arguments about vulgarity being subjective. That's a strawman that you can easily set up and knock down. Of course there are opinions involved here. That's not really the point. With your first edited post what you wrote was obvious to anyone reading it through your few asterisks, and if you hadn't felt it was improper language to begin with you would not have put asterisks in at all. Feces covered by holey Swiss cheese still stink. The applicable forum rule here is pretty clear when it says, "...changing words to get around our filter is also unacceptable."

Your second tenuous argument is when you separate out "worthless" and "piece" as exhibits of over-zealous moderation. There is no argument from me that, by themselves, these words are harmless. I don't disagree. I never censored just those words. But when you marry them with "of" and the final ugly word, its vulgarity is extended and they are then duly editable as a entire phrase at that point.

On "my opinion is no less important than yours". This is certainly a fair statement when you're talking the marketplace of ideas on this forum. All ideas have the same right to be heard and to gather steam, and you are, of course, free to post your opinions whenever you like. But if you post anything that crosses the line of vulgar language, then like a speeder seen by a policeman, you'll soon find out whose opinion is more important than whose. There is a time and place for colorful language, perhaps, but it's not likely to be here on this site at any time, whether that be in a chat between just two people or especially a forum posting seen by many.

If that strikes you as the action of an "outlier", then that's too bad. We will have to agree to disagree.

A moderator's duty is to help assist the flow of ideas in a civil fashion on the site. In my opinion (of course) the moderator's obligations are to the community, the rules, his own conscience, and to the other moderators, in that order. But if something moves him to go out on a limb away from public opinion, he'd be a poor mod if he didn't do it. The trunk of centrist opinions always requires the limbs of insight to grow higher.

Naturally the moderators do need public scrutiny. We are in no ways perfect. Can someone disagree with us on the forum? Yes, of course. We can and do certainly benefit by interested contributions. But such postings had better be civil. If not, you may get one hidden or edited that didn't get the same treatment last year. If that happens, well, you know this is the old Wild West. What did you expect?

Here I will stop and take a moment to concede that you have good ideas and write them very well. Some of them are big ideas and if you would like to develop them further, they should properly have their own thread(s) started, as this topic is predominantly about reporting cases of abusive behavior in games. This would give your ideas a better spotlight than being mixed in with a different thread anyway.

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