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#1 Midnightguy

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Posted 05 January 2014 - 05:19 PM

Please use this topic thread to post any cases of drawl refuse that is going on and members of the online moderator staff will examine your case.  We will only examine cases where clear proof of screen shots are presented.  Do not post on here to accuse someone without proof or the post will be hidden. This topic thread will be open until the end of the month of January 2014.  Please to keep this topic clean, refrain from other issues and do that in other areas of our forum



#2 The Prof

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Posted 05 January 2014 - 11:06 PM

I have hidden some posts that had nothing to do with reporting players for refusing an obvious tie.  This thead is for that purpose, and that purpose only.  If you have something you would like to say on another topic, please start your own thread.  The moderators appreciate your help in keeping our forum organized.  Thank you.



#3 KARAISKAKIS

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Posted 21 January 2014 - 10:45 AM

The Moderator Team has found AlexDavid guilty as draw refusal first degree.

A written warning and a loss in rating will be given to the player who refused the draw.  The loss in rating will be 50 points



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Posted 21 January 2014 - 08:35 PM

I was finally vindicated since in the past I have reported AlexDavid for draw refusal and you didn't found him guilty

Better later than never



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#5 akis0203

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Posted 23 January 2014 - 10:38 AM

 i wanna report user tompret for draw refusal.


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#6 KARAISKAKIS

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Posted 23 January 2014 - 11:04 AM

We need to provide us screenshots . Without proofs there is no case  akis0203



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Posted 23 January 2014 - 06:04 PM

OMG he did this to me!  I was winning nd he just would not draw last week.  Thank you guys for punishing him.  I shoulda took screen shots and got him banned!


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Posted 30 January 2014 - 10:35 PM

Game against last_ from today.

 

22:24 I made first screenshot. 22:28 last, there are more if needed. I prefer not to post due to sensitive nature of setup, but i have them here, where to send them?

 

I used 3 draw requests earlier after I lost my 4th miner, else i would have opened it up for the win.

 

I got -14 rating when I gave up and did warn him before that he would get reported...

 

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#9 KARAISKAKIS

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Posted 31 January 2014 - 01:41 PM

Game against last_ from today.

 

22:24 I made first screenshot. 22:28 last, there are more if needed. I prefer not to post due to sensitive nature of setup, but i have them here, where to send them?

 

I used 3 draw requests earlier after I lost my 4th miner, else i would have opened it up for the win.

 

I got -14 rating when I gave up and did warn him before that he would get reported...

 

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Posted 03 February 2014 - 07:29 AM

Posted here is a good example in what a player should have in their screen shots to make a strong case for a draw refusal.  These images here are from the player Spy vs Spy vs. HORIAN2014.

 

 

 

 

The screen shots here provided show that Spy vs Spy asked for a draw which was refused by HORIAN2014 and 15 minutes later which no progress made in the game, they asked again for a draw and again it was rejected.  Also note in battle chat Spy vs Spy explained to HORIAN2014 why the game was a draw and on the third screen shot, they labeled all the units.  (M for Marshal and m for Major)  Shortly after, Spy vs Spy resigned to end the game knowing it would be an endless game of chasing since, he had no way to get past HORIAN2014's Marshal to get to Flag and HORIAN2014 couldn't get to the sealed Flag nor capture Spy vs Spy's Marshal.

 

According to our rules if at least 10 minutes has passed after first request for a draw was made and rejected, the burden now lies on the person who refused the draw to prove why they felt they could still win.  If no progress has been made in the game and the same player refuses the second draw after 10 minutes or more, then the Moderator Team will find that player guilty for unsportsmanlike conduct for refusing a game that was a draw.  

 

In this case the Moderator Team find HORIAN2014 in violation of our rules to our site, and will be accessed a 50 point penalty and Spy vs Spy will have their rating restored for taking an unfair loss.  

 

EDIT:  For future cases the player who took the loss will need to show a screen shot of the loss and so, we can restore their rating by 13 points. 


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Posted 05 February 2014 - 08:00 AM

The Moderator Team has updated and expanded our rules relating to draw refusal.  These will become part of the General Site and Forum Rules pending final administrative approval:

 

Cases of Unsportsmanlike Draw Refusal:
 
There are two types of inappropriate draw refusal.  The first type occurs when neither player can win the game.  It does not matter if you have better units or more units than your opponent, you do not "deserve to win" if you cannot capture the flag or all your opponent's pieces.  It is considered unsportsmanlike to continue the game and hope your opponent will eventually quit.  Any player who denies tie requests in this situation is subject to the penalties listed below.
 
The second type of draw refusal case occurs in a game in which both sides have the potential to win but no progress is being made by either side.  If one player requests a tie and is refused, then it is the responsibility of the player who refused the tie to make an attack and to try to advance the game toward a resolution.  Failure to do so subjects this player to the penalties listed below. 
 
First Offense – 50 points will be deducted from the offending player’s rating, and he/she will be sent a written explanation of our decision and a warning of the second offense penalty.
 
Second Offense – The offending player’s rating will be reset, and he/she will be sent a written explanation of our decision and a warning that if this conduct continues it will result in a banning from the site.
 
How to report draw refusal:  If you feel that an opponent of yours is in violation of these rules, we may not be able to apply any penalties to him/her unless you supply all of the evidence listed below, so please do so in order to have a strong case.  We will take no action if you simply make accusations without sufficient evidence.  Note that the evidence required is different for the two types of cases:
 
If a clear draw is being refused, please provide time stamped screen shots showing the following, and in the order shown here:
 
• The game is in an obvious tie situation.
• Your opponent refused a tie request.
• The game has not progressed for at least 10 minutes since the tie request was refused. 
• Your opponent refused a second tie request.
 
If no progress is being made and the player who refused a tie request is making no effort to attack, please provide time stamped screen shots showing the following, and in the order shown here:
 
• No progress in the game has been made for at least 10 minutes (This requires two screenshots, one at least 10 minutes after the other).
• Your opponent refused a tie request.
• No progress occurred for at least 10 more minutes following the tie request.
• Your opponent refused a second tie request.
 

In either case, you should also provide screen shots of any relevant chat dialogue.  After you have collected all the required evidence over the specified time periods, you can surrender and take a time stamped screen shot of the “Defeat” screen.  If your opponent is found in violation of our rules, and you provide evidence that you surrendered, then 13 points, which is the difference between a loss and a draw, will be restored to your rating.


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#12 godfather76

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Posted 10 February 2014 - 11:17 PM

I would like to report dumaille for not accepting a clear draw. He had 3 pieces and I had a scout while his flag was open. He rejected 3 times for draw. Please ban him accordingly

I also want my points back since I had to forfeit because the time was passing away with no meaning

 

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Posted 10 February 2014 - 11:29 PM

Thanks Godfather, we will look into your case. 


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Posted 11 February 2014 - 02:42 AM

I was playing this opponent who I will reveal the name of shortly. It seems after trying to keep the game going, the game never proceeded. Each of us were able to do some things here and there, but the game spun and spun. Sometimes each of us were amazed at the game's progress, other times we were both in bewilderment. Its as if we wanted to share a beer over it and have a good laugh. Because it dawned on both of us the enemy was this website's software and we both wanted to draw against it because we were both fed up. thanks for listening have a good day



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Posted 11 February 2014 - 03:08 AM

i'd like to report caromoni20 for not accepting a clear draw. He had 2 colonels and I had a captain and a sergeant, while his flag was open. Here are the screenshots:

 

 

http://i.imgur.com/dfhspsX.jpg

 

http://i.imgur.com/w5yAesw.jpg  Here, you can see where his flag is (with red ink)

 

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Posted 13 February 2014 - 05:17 PM

"the Don" refused a tie when he had 2 Colonels I had a scout left with our flags surrounded by bombs see attached pictures:
 

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Posted 13 February 2014 - 05:23 PM

 

"the Don" refused a tie when he had 2 Colonels I had a scout left with our flags surrounded by bombs see attached pictures:
 

http://i.imgur.com/S1dXKbb.jpg

 

Thanks for the report. We will look in your case.

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Posted 13 February 2014 - 08:47 PM

A lot of players are denying the draw..it is the same with the cheaters ones. Is there something Ash can do?



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Posted 13 February 2014 - 09:51 PM

I would like to report agdi for not accepting a clear draw. He had 2 pieces and I had two scouts and a lot of other pieces while his flag was open. He rejected 3 times for draw. Please ban him accordingly

I also want my points back since I had to forfeit

 

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Posted 16 February 2014 - 02:04 PM

I would like to report Elihu for not accepting a clear draw. He had no miners and i had a general. He rejected 3 times for draw. Please ban him accordingly

I also want my points back since i lost the game

 

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