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#21 GaryLShelton

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Posted 12 November 2014 - 06:19 AM

I will play you with the new pieces if we are matched to play! :)


Hey, this may be a silly question, but I don't expect to be playing a live tournament anytime soon, and the only physical pieces I've ever seen are my 1960's Milton Bradley pieces. Can you post some images or links to images that will hopefully illustrate what all the new and old pieces look like for some of us who do not know?

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Posted 12 November 2014 - 09:45 AM

Ofcourse Gary.

 

New pieces:

http://nl-pic1.ciao....nl/52561546.jpg

 

Old pieces:

https://stock-foto.n...-2_stratego.jpg


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Posted 12 November 2014 - 10:17 AM

 

Is there a possibility to play with the ''new'' pieces or is it compulsory to play with the original pieces?

 

 

I also said this about the WC (then too there was a big fuss about this): we should make it available to choose. So have 2 sets of boardgames available. I've been around now for 20 years so I know it's easy for SBN to make it so. In the past we (my strategoclub) also made such a proposal concerning the clock.

 

Even in this scenario I fear you would play at least 6 out of 7 games with the original pieces though. As most prefer those. So the default starting set would be Original+clock. Only if both players agree you could go with New+clock or New-clock/Original-clock.

 

But I don't think these are options on this DC 2014 yet.


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Posted 15 November 2014 - 06:14 PM

Hey, this may be a silly question, but I don't expect to be playing a live tournament anytime soon, and the only physical pieces I've ever seen are my 1960's Milton Bradley pieces. Can you post some images or links to images that will hopefully illustrate what all the new and old pieces look like for some of us who do not know?

Thanks, Gary

Gary, u should pick up an old Jumbo set on ebay. I love it. I'm not sure the USA ever published one (Canada did in the 80s, from Chieftain).



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Posted 15 November 2014 - 06:59 PM

If you have enough battlecoins you can change pieces on stratego.com. I have them too, but never used them. In the future I hope to play a Dutch Championship, before that I will get used to play with the old pieces.

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Posted 15 November 2014 - 09:17 PM

Thanks for the pictures, Maxroelofs.

 

The old pieces then are the ones that I don't care for.  I'll take the new ones any day.

 

The hugest problem I have with the old pieces is that the Major in them looks just like the Colonel in the old Milton Bradley set in the 1960's that I grew up with.  It's the same problem with the "authentic" pieces here on the site.  How did the Colonel switch to being a Major?  Check out the link below to see what an old Milton Bradley Colonel appeared like.  You will agree he is the "authentic" Major now!

 

http://www.ebay.com/...sd=311081084466

 

Let me know if you agree.

 

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Posted 15 November 2014 - 09:37 PM

 

 the old pieces is that the Major in them looks just like the Colonel

 

 

Gary, the ebay pic you show aren't the pieces we play with on the DC. It's the American variant which Metaforge plays with. And Battlechess where you apparantly can also play Stratego I saw yesterday. I have checked around to search for the genuine 1953 pieces we play with and you have to check for Stratego Jumbo like http://www.ebay.com/...=item20eeee3c43

 

*edit; you probably knew, only it was Max who provided the pics so I got confused with you mentioning NTactical, my mistake :)


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Posted 15 November 2014 - 10:11 PM

fixed. thanks, Lo.

 

sorry, thanks for the pics, max.


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Posted 16 November 2014 - 01:46 AM

Tim is Headline news in Dutch biggest newspaper.

 

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Posted 16 November 2014 - 02:14 AM

I had to play seven games in total, i will give a short example of how the game went:

 

Game 1: 

 

I had to play a guy who was new and unfortunately way lower than me, he lasted 10 minutes, but this game wasn't fun for any of us. 

 

Mistake: Non, as far as I know.

 

Game 2:

 

I had to play Rutger, he is a strong mid-level player. I was down a captain quite fast, but i managed to figure out the position of both his marshal and general. I attacked him and he tried his hardest to defend all the pieces he had from the unknown incomming powers. i got a captain trapped with my marshal after a while, was up a lot in lower pieces. Traded all the highers one's and got the win again. 

 

Mistake: Taking to much risk with a captain, which was hard to get back later.

 

Game 3: 

 

Had to play Vincent de Boer, was a fun game after all. For those who don't know him, he is a three times world champion, so he is a strong player. I used to take out a kolonel of his pretty early with my general, but then he walks at my general with a piece from a very weird spot on the last row. I was thinking to have an easy kill on a miner, but it turned out to be his marshal, so he got back in the game. After a long fight, we ended up with a draw, so that was the game.

 

Mistake: Hitting the piece with the general was just stupid. I was on a nice advantage and there was absolutely no need to take such risk. 

 

Game 4: 

 

This game was versus Johnny van Geffen, he also was world champion once and he got me the first loss of the tournament. The game was pretty much decided after 5 minutes. My kolonel was next to two unknown pieces, but he had no fear and attacked with the marshal (he didn't even know it was the kolonal. Because of the positioning of this situation he also managed to take out my major on that side with his kolonel. Was this a risk? Yes, was it a good move? Yes

 

Mistake: This once too complicated to explain right now, but he knew that my spy wasn't next to that piece, without even seeing it, that's the practice of a really strong player.

 

Game 5: 

 

I had to play Wim Sigtoeoboen, because i had such nice results so far, i had to play a stronger player again. Wim once won the Dutch national championship and played a very strong game. I had my pieces placed correctly and he just couldn't get through it gladly, while i was attacking him on the other side. After i took out a high piece, he needed to take some risks, that turned out bad for him.

 

Mistakes: Letting him lotto so many of my miners, which almost got me in trouble in the end. You need to smell when one is going to lotto.

 

Game 6: 

 

This game was versus Kees de Vos, also known as a really strong player. He is a very defensive player and shuffeling all his pieces all the time, which he calls ''the carousel''. I figured out his marshal really early and by trading of pieces i gained an advantage on segreants and miners. After a very long game i managed to trade all the pieces and win on these sergeants and miners advantage i had.

 

Mistake: He was shuffeling all the time and when you have so many games played already you are really braindead. I needed to burn two scouts on figuring out where his marshal was again.

 

Game 7: 

 

Right now I was number 4 on the ranking, unfortunately i had to face the feared Pim Niemeijer. I played a poor game and lost two majors way to fast. It didn't last too long. 

 

Mistake: Too many to write down. It was a combination of a strong opponent and complete braindead from my side.

 

Result: 4 wins, 2 losses, 1 remise, 9th place. 

 

I am really happy with this result! I surprised quite a some people at the tournament i think, to beat some of the (sub)top players.

 

Also it was very nice to meet Asymmetric and Ntactical. :)


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Posted 16 November 2014 - 09:58 AM

nice summary Max,

can you give the online nick's of your opponents ?

Most of us known them as online players only


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Posted 16 November 2014 - 10:16 AM

Would be nice.if we can see some pictures or links from the tournament.


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Posted 16 November 2014 - 12:04 PM

Yes, a lot of pictures had been taken! I think they will become available soon too, including the final results! It was a nice day!  :)

 

A heads up: Top 3!

1. Tim Slagboom (playa1) - Defended his title

2. Pim Niemeijer (Nortrom)

3. Hielco Stellingwerf (SATAN-NL)

 

About half the participants also play online here, the other half not, or elsewhere (mainly gravon atm).


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Posted 16 November 2014 - 04:21 PM

Who is Regurgitate here?  Did he play in the tournament also?


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Posted 16 November 2014 - 04:49 PM

He's from usa.


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Posted 16 November 2014 - 05:48 PM

Hi all,

 

Very nice summaries Max! It was a beautiful day with a very nice number of participants. A lot of top players and new players, from 6 - 70 years old. Let's hope we can improve the connection between online and live stratego. Sure the online players who attent a live tournament the past years can confirm the added values in comparison with online stratego like the tension, mimicry, social environment and prizes.

Max and myself invite all players to experience this for themselves. Before the end of the year the Dutch tourney agenda for 2015 will be published at the SBN website www.strategobond.nl. Would you like to receive the tourney invitations by e-mail? Write a short e-mail to strategobondnederland@gmail.com and we will add you to our mailing list.

 

About the old / new pieces: this is a difficult discussion. We are playing live tourneys for 20 years now with the 'old' pieces as described by Max. A couple of years back the old pieces were taken out of the market and were replaced by the new pieces. The international life stratego community believes the new pieces are not suitable for tournaments as they easily fall down, can be easier seen from the side and the graveyards are not as practical as the old graveyards. Last but not least; the figures of the old pieces are more representative for the mind sport we want stratego to be than the new pieces. As a compromise however, the Junior players (< 15 years old) play with the new pieces. In the end we still have a problem, because the old pieces are not being sold anymore and people learn to play with the new pieces. We have three solutions:

- or Jumbo will bring out a version bringing back the old pieces

- or players have to learn to play with both sets (online this is easy)

- or all players will play with the new pieces

Because of the reasons mentioned above, the chance is small we will go for option 3.

 

See you all at one or more of our life tournaments!

 

Greets,

 

Tim Slagboom (Playa1)

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Posted 16 November 2014 - 06:45 PM

Who is Regurgitate here?  Did he play in the tournament also?

 

I doubt he is active anymore.

But he is top class player and a nice guy.



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Posted 16 November 2014 - 06:45 PM

Can you post the results ? 



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Posted 16 November 2014 - 07:08 PM

Can they make the new pieces with the same physical structure as the old ones and still keep the same new images?  Wouldn't this be yet another option?  If the new pieces satisfied on the tipping over concern and the graveyard issue, would this interest everyone?


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Posted 16 November 2014 - 07:11 PM

The images are still awful, but it is a start.


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