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#1 Midnightguy

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 05:10 PM

I was in game last night was against someone knew on another site. I landed up resigning game, but here was our situation. We both had our Marshall's left, both of us removed each other spies, we both had flags surrounded by bombs, and we both had no miners left. However he had 3 more pieces than I did, so my question I asked is. Would you have resigned or continue to play on knowing he couldn't trap my Marshall?

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 05:38 PM

If he could never capture your marshal the game should have been a draw, I think. I would play on wanting to draw.

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 07:51 PM

So that's an ugly draw,.....
I've had those games as well........dominant, two or three ranks up and yet I can't decide it.
Always be carefull with your miners,..................I've had it yesterday against a bronze lieutenant and we end up with having one pawn each,.....he's got the miner and I have the sergeant.
His flag was sealed with bombs so I couldn't get it anymore and he constantly avoided my attack by running in circles around the lake in the hope I would come up so he could go for my flag.
So I had no choice,....a draw.....which costed me 11 points.

Disgusting but yeah, that's the game I guess :)
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Posted 05 February 2013 - 06:54 PM

Cold-hearted draw.

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 07:09 AM

So that's an ugly draw,.....
I've had those games as well........dominant, two or three ranks up and yet I can't decide it.
Always be carefull with your miners,..................I've had it yesterday against a bronze lieutenant and we end up with having one pawn each,.....he's got the miner and I have the sergeant.
His flag was sealed with bombs so I couldn't get it anymore and he constantly avoided my attack by running in circles around the lake in the hope I would come up so he could go for my flag.
So I had no choice,....a draw.....which costed me 11 points.

Disgusting but yeah, that's the game I guess :)



Yea I absolutely agree with trickz. I would treat miners really carefully. I tend to keep them hidden behind the ranks until late game, which is when they become necessary to defuse the bomb and get to the flag. Bringing them out too early will more than likely get them killed, and you will end up in a situation like this.

On the flipside, if you see an enemy miner, make sure you note its location and go after it with a vengeance. A lot of players are careless with the miner, so you can exploit this weakness pretty well.

But I totally agree that this would have been a draw... sucks though lol

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 04:20 PM

On the flipside, if you see an enemy miner, make sure you note its location and go after it with a vengeance. A lot of players are careless with the miner, so you can exploit this weakness pretty well.


Going after miners with a vengeance is not something I would do.
If you can catch them without a risk, then it's fine but you have to take in consideration that your opponent will back up his miner so if you're coming with a sergeant or a lieutenant, it's most likely he's gonna be intercepted by a captain or so.
That means he's maybe a miner down but you're a sergeant or a lieutenant down.
So this is a bad exchange. Always try to exchange in your favour.
The flip is that you don't need miners in order to win a game,......you can simply outpower your opponent and kill all his pieces instead. Sometimes miners are handy to use as "multifunctional scouts", especially in areas where nothing moves and you want to exploit that part.

I think most of the time trying to capture the flag is irrelevant.
If you are down in pieces, this must be a priority,...to go for his flag.
But if you are up in pieces, the priority for me would be to control the game and kill him.
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Posted 11 February 2013 - 08:01 PM

To me pending on situation and time of game, I may offer a higher ranked piece to take out a Miner. They might only be a 3, but they could be worth at least a 5/Lieutenant or higher at an end game situation.

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 08:43 PM

I value miners very high. If I am not down much material (I am always down some material) I will trade a Lieutenant for a miner 100% of the time. I almost always cover my flag with bombs, so I want to be able to take out all my opponents miners and then not have to fear about my flag's defenses for the rest of the game.

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Posted 11 February 2013 - 08:55 PM

Varishnakov is really annoying to play against,...it's hard stuff :)
He's always material down but he is very good in hiding his marshall and or general.
He drove me steamin' mad lol
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Posted 12 February 2013 - 11:20 PM

For all those who did not notice: a draw does not influence your rating. The system is bugged in a way that it repeatedly visualizes your very last result (prior to the draw); but your actual rating is not affected!

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 07:55 PM

This is certainly a draw. cold- draw but draw. There is a worst senario than this. Imagine having a general, a colonel ,a major , 2 sergeants ,2 scouts, closed flag with bombs and the opponent only a general, open flag and six (unknown)bombs (the unknown squares were1 first rank left corner and the other 6 last rank). Is it possible to lose? YES and is not a joke. This happened to me playing before a year in other site with a player called xin. At the begging of this he asked me draw and of course i denied. What happened next? scout boom,second scout boom, colonel boom ,major boom .. There were 2 bombs unknown ( 3 squares unknown: 2 last rank corner right and middle and the other first rank left corner). Next second try for draw i denied. I lost my sergeant in the middle square. Unfortunatelly my second sergeant was traped in a corner with two bombs. So i was remaing with my general and 2 squares ( last corner right and first rank left corner). At this moment he asked me for a third and last time draw( in this site you can not ask more than 3 times draw). And this is the point what would you have done. It was 50-50 in maths but in game you think it is obvious where is the flag. So i denied for third time and i tried the last rank right corner and ............BOOM. His flag was in the front and i could win from the first move of the game attacking with a scout. After this game he called me lotter and he was not going to play with me again. This is the most unforgetable game in my life and i believe it is because i lost .
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 08:49 PM

Well you had a close flag and many more pieces than him. I wouldn't have drawn either, I'd hope I could contain his General with mine in a certain area of the board and if I couldn't find his flag after using all my other pieces then a draw would have to be called.

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 09:01 PM

This is certainly a draw. cold- draw but draw. There is a worst senario than this. Imagine having a general, a colonel ,a major , 2 sergeants ,2 scouts, closed flag with bombs and the opponent only a general, open flag and six (unknown)bombs (the unknown squares were1 first rank left corner and the other 6 last rank). Is it possible to lose? YES and is not a joke. This happened to me playing before a year in other site with a player called xin. At the begging of this he asked me draw and of course i denied. What happened next? scout boom,second scout boom, colonel boom ,major boom .. There were 2 bombs unknown ( 3 squares unknown: 2 last rank corner right and middle and the other first rank left corner). Next second try for draw i denied. I lost my sergeant in the middle square. Unfortunatelly my second sergeant was traped in a corner with two bombs. So i was remaing with my general and 2 squares ( last corner right and first rank left corner). At this moment he asked me for a third and last time draw( in this site you can not ask more than 3 times draw). And this is the point what would you have done. It was 50-50 in maths but in game you think it is obvious where is the flag. So i denied for third time and i tried the last rank right corner and ............BOOM. His flag was in the front and i could win from the first move of the game attacking with a scout. After this game he called me lotter and he was not going to play with me again. This is the most unforgetable game in my life and i believe it is because i lost .
:wub: THIS IS STRATEGO AND THIS THE REASON I LOVE THIS GAME :wub:


Haha, nice story. This is where the analysis comes into play. Out of your story, I can conclude you did not scout the front-row unmoved piece. I agree that (without proper analysis) it would be stupid to waste a scout on that probable bomb. However, at such a point in the endgame, I will always re-analyze the game: which side did he start his opening move; which side did he start attacking; which side remained unmoved the longest, and where were his high ranks originally setup. Based on that analysis, especially his opening in this case, you could have suspected this. However, this is ofcourse all after-talk ;)

Would not have drawn either: wait for his mistake in which he will get his general in a lockable position (potentially taunt him to that with your colonel), and trade of both generals. No moveable pieces left: you won.

If he does not make this mistake after a lot of attempts; well, just don't make a mistake yourself: 7 moveables pieces. 7 potential flag positions. Worst case: You could have had a draw if it was the 7th try (with your general ofcourse) and he would protect his flag and trade it off. Both opponents no moveables left.

Summarized: you should have won, and with very unlikely odds ended up into an automatic draw. But would have néver accepted that offered draw.

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 09:28 PM

Haha, nice story. This is where the analysis comes into play. Out of your story, I can conclude you did not scout the front-row unmoved piece. I agree that (without proper analysis) it would be stupid to waste a scout on that probable bomb. However, at such a point in the endgame, I will always re-analyze the game: which side did he start his opening move; which side did he start attacking; which side remained unmoved the longest, and where were his high ranks originally setup. Based on that analysis, especially his opening in this case, you could have suspected this. However, this is ofcourse all after-talk ;)

Would not have drawn either: wait for his mistake in which he will get his general in a lockable position (potentially taunt him to that with your colonel), and trade of both generals. No moveable pieces left: you won.

If he does not make this mistake after a lot of attempts; well, just don't make a mistake yourself: 7 moveables pieces. 7 potential flag positions. Worst case: You could have had a draw if it was the 7th try (with your general ofcourse) and he would protect his flag and trade it off. Both opponents no moveables left.

Summarized: you should have won, and with very unlikely odds ended up into an automatic draw. But would have néver accepted that offered draw.

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I had 7 pieces but 6 moveable (the 7th was closed in 2 my bombs in a corner), so there was not 7th try. Secondly it was imposible to trap his general.




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