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#1 The Maestro

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Posted 25 September 2014 - 02:31 PM

Dear fellow Stratego Lovers

 

In 2014 we started with a tournament structure (Divisions System), as there had been many requests about having a better / cleaner ranking, top players not wanting to wait for ages to get a game and a lot of people were looking for tournaments where they could play people within their own skillrange or just play without hassles.

 

In 2015 there will once again be 2 Open Tournaments (one in Spring and one in Autumn)but also A Mid Year Divisions (MYD) Tournament. 3 Tournaments to score TRP’s in. The year once again ends with the Years End Divisions (which will include the crowning of the Stratego Master 2015).

 

In February 2015 The Open Spring Tournament, the first tournament of 2015 will be held, which also means the first chance to win 2015 TRP’s. This will be an open tournament again with an unlimited amount of first round participants. Every participant (unless disqualified) will win TRP’s. The Open Spring Tournament) will start on Friday 20 February.  Sign Up for this event has closed.

 

May 2015 will have the invitation only Mid Year Division Tournaments; same principle as the December one with one huge difference; this time all participants of all Divisions will win TRP’s (unless DQ-ed). Invited will be players that were already in the Divisions System (Winter 2014) added with players that scored TRP’s in the March 2015 open tournament.

 

September 2015 brings you the Autumn open tournament (likely elimination style again). Another great chance for players that are not yet in the Divisions system to win some needed TRP’s. For other players this is the last opportunity to win some TRP’s to maximize their Total TRP’s for the year, as this is the last tournament of the year where TRP’s can be won.

 

November / December will see the invitation only Winter Division Tournaments with the winner of Division 1 winning the prestigious Stratego Master 2015.

 

So there will be 3 tournaments in 2015 in which you can win TRP’s, and the big year end extravaganza of crowning the Stratego Master.

 

This schedule gives transparancy to all players of when tournaments will be held and what type they are. In short we will have 2 open tournaments (starting in February and September) and an invitation only tournament (starting in May/June). The open tournaments will have tight schedules, meaning valid game apointments must be made within a given short time frame. The invitation only tournament will be divisions where participants are free to chose when to play these games (there will be some restrictions and conditions of course), for example 1 game a week or 5 in one week and then some weeks off. Ofcourse players don’t have to join each and every tournament in a year, but skipping could result in some regrets when the Winter division comes around.

 

http://forum.strateg...ns-who-and-how/ gives you detailed  information on:

 

- how to win TRP’s

- how the Division Tournaments work

- consequences of skipping tournaments (especially the Division Tournaments)

- moving / up or down divisions

- new players being added to divisions based on (great) results in open tournaments

- etc

 

We are sure all this will add a lot of fun and competition to this site and will be another reason for players all around the world to join us and match their skills with us!



#2 GaryLShelton

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Posted 25 September 2014 - 05:28 PM

Maestro, your attached thumbnail shows a sample result with a green division, blue division, and purple division.  

 

Two questions come to mind.  

 

  1. What will happen to the players below Gorgsari?  He is the lowest purple ranked player.  Will there be a fourth division if you have enough names to make one, or close to it?  Or is it three division tournaments and the rest are out?
  2. Will these TRP's all be the same?  Or is there weighting involved somehow?  That is, will a TRP earned in a division tournament while playing in the highest group be worth the same as a TRP earned with a win in the lowest group?

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#3 The Maestro

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Posted 25 September 2014 - 05:36 PM

1. Every player that scored at least ONE point will be invited to SOME divison. We could end up with 2, 3, 4 or more (highly unlikely but possible).

 

2. The TRPs for the Autumn Tournament are in the post for sign up. Winner gets most, then #2 etc.

 

For the divisions, the winner of division 1 will get an amount comparable to the winner of other tournaments. #2 gets less etc. #12 of division 1 gets more than #1 of division2 (although just a little more ) etc. So every player in Division 2 scores more than any player in Division 3 etc.  



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Posted 25 September 2014 - 08:08 PM

So for #2 above, the TRP's themselves will be the same weight.  A higher division will just get more TRP's than a lower one.  Thanks.

 

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Posted 12 November 2014 - 04:42 PM

Maestroman,

I conclude I will be in division 3? Or is that a to fast conclusion?
Nice names in it, by the way.

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Posted 12 November 2014 - 05:08 PM

Maestroman,

I conclude I will be in division 3? Or is that a to fast conclusion?
Nice names in it, by the way.

Lucky

 

In case 5 players from division 1 and 2 would choose to not participate, you would promote to division 2  ;)



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Posted 13 November 2014 - 07:50 PM

Why are players with the same TRP but less ELO ranked above me
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Posted 13 December 2014 - 05:52 PM

where can you find the results of the games that are played?



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Posted 13 December 2014 - 06:02 PM

where can you find the results of the games that are played?

 

http://forum.strateg...ficial-results/


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Posted 22 December 2014 - 06:13 PM

I would love to get in on the next tourney. When/ How do I get involved.

 

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Posted 26 December 2014 - 11:11 PM

there are still players who have played 0 or 1 game in 4 weeks.what are the rules for the deadline?



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Posted 27 December 2014 - 05:55 PM

I would love to get in on the next tourney. When/ How do I get involved.
 
Thanks

 

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Posted 27 December 2014 - 05:58 PM

there are still players who have played 0 or 1 game in 4 weeks.what are the rules for the deadline?

 

Yes, some players really have to start playing more. We contacted some of them and they told us they would be playing a lot (more) in the last week of the year/first week 2015. So let's just see what happens there.



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Posted 07 January 2015 - 11:55 PM

At the conclusion of the games, how will ties in the standings be decided?  For example if two players are tied for 10th in Div 1, which player gets knocked down to Div 2 in the mid-year division tournaments?

 

Also, I read that a top 8 finish in this year's CL guarantees that one will qualify for the mid-year Div 1.  The could lead to several more than 12 players who qualify for Div 1, including the top 10 from the current Div 1 and top 2 from Div 2.  How will this be handled?



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Posted 08 January 2015 - 12:46 AM

Very good questions.

Ties in the final standings will be decided:

1. First by the head to head result. So winner of the division game they played versus eachother gets the nod.
2. If that game was a draw it comes down to whom they beat to score their wins (or if that won't get a decision who they drew with). If a player beat #1 in the final ranking they get 12 points, #2 11 points etc.
3. If they still end up the same there will be an extra match between the two.

The exact rules of how many people will be in a Mid Year Division will be finetuned soon, but the result will be that no more than (theoretically)14 people will play in a division.

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Posted 08 January 2015 - 01:07 AM

Thanks for the answers.  That is a very good system.  Although, another fairly common type of tie is a three-way tie in which each player has one win and one loss against the other two.  In this case, you could use criteria #2 above and if two of the three are still tied on points use criteria #1, and then #3 if necessary.



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Posted 08 January 2015 - 01:34 AM

Thanks for the answers.  That is a very good system.  Although, another fairly common type of tie is a three-way tie in which each player has one win and one loss against the other two.  In this case, you could use criteria #2 above and if two of the threoe are still tied on points use criteria #1, and then #3 if necessary.


That is exactly how it will be...if needed ;-)

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Posted 21 January 2015 - 10:43 PM

...sorry TC if i come with some disturbing questions but all 3 questions below are related to situations that could theoretically happen:
1) ties
if 2 players are tied you go for head to head result and in case of draw you go for option 2 above...who won against highest ranked of the division...all clear...but in case there are 3 people tied then there are 2 possibilities. Possibility 1 is that each of the 3 tied players won 1 and lost 1 against the other 2 tied player. In this case option 2 enters into force and who won against the highest ranked will get ranked 1st of the 3 tied...all clear again...but it exists possibility 2 if among the 3 tied players let's call them a, b, and c, a has lost against b and c and c has won against a and b while b has 1 win 1 loss ... then c will get ranked 1st from the 3 tied players, correct? So in such situation option 2 above does not apply, do i understand correctly?
...and be happy that i renounce to ask you what happens in each of the 3 possibilities in case 4 players are tied as it seems unlikely to occur...keep smiling!

2) games not played
what happens in case a player refuses to play a game or is unable to find time agreement with his opponent for their game? Does the player who refuses the game get disqualified? If yes what happens with the points of his opponent who could not play that game because of the refusal of the other: does such opponent get points or does he get 0 point for a non played game? If yes how many points does he get?

3) what happens in case a player is asking his opponent for adraw and the opponent refuses the draw, do the general forum rules apply, in particular the 10 minutes rule evidenced without game evolution?

...as the above situation may happen i would tend to propose you to not just answer my questions but also adjust the rules according to your answers...this may avoide unnecessary debates later on...let you see and thank you in advance for your appreciated answers.

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Posted 22 January 2015 - 08:34 AM

...sorry TC if i come with some disturbing questions but all 3 questions below are related to situations that could theoretically happen:
1) ties
if 2 players are tied you go for head to head result and in case of draw you go for option 2 above...who won against highest ranked of the division...all clear...but in case there are 3 people tied then there are 2 possibilities. Possibility 1 is that each of the 3 tied players won 1 and lost 1 against the other 2 tied player. In this case option 2 enters into force and who won against the highest ranked will get ranked 1st of the 3 tied...all clear again...but it exists possibility 2 if among the 3 tied players let's call them a, b, and c, a has lost against b and c and c has won against a and b while b has 1 win 1 loss ... then c will get ranked 1st from the 3 tied players, correct? So in such situation option 2 above does not apply, do i understand correctly?
...and be happy that i renounce to ask you what happens in each of the 3 possibilities in case 4 players are tied as it seems unlikely to occur...keep smiling!
 

 

Please let me know if I understood your question and if this the answer to it.

 

So we have this fictional situation. Maestro, NDJ and Papillon all have the same amount of points in the final ranking. Papillon beat NDJ as well as Maestro....then it is clear Papillon is #1. Then it comes to Maestro vs NDJ. Now you said Maestro lost both his games, implying Maestro lost to NDJ as well....then it is clear as well isn´t: NDJ won the head to head so he is #2. 



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Posted 22 January 2015 - 09:30 AM

...keep smiling!

2) games not played
what happens in case a player refuses to play a game or is unable to find time agreement with his opponent for their game? Does the player who refuses the game get disqualified? If yes what happens with the points of his opponent who could not play that game because of the refusal of the other: does such opponent get points or does he get 0 point for a non played game? If yes how many points does he get?

3) what happens in case a player is asking his opponent for adraw and the opponent refuses the draw, do the general forum rules apply, in particular the 10 minutes rule evidenced without game evolution?

...as the above situation may happen i would tend to propose you to not just answer my questions but also adjust the rules according to your answers...this may avoide unnecessary debates later on...let you see and thank you in advance for your appreciated answers.

Napoleon 1er

 

First of all. We are smiling all right  ;). These Divisions work out even better than we had expected. In general the participants have been great, many of them even amazing. Sure some have had some difficulties, but most of those were solved, not in the least by the participants themselves. We are close to the point that only 10 games need to be played in the entire Division 1. Same for D2 and D3 is already there! So out of the 210 games that needed to played when this all started we are left with only about 30!! This is a huge accomplishment by all the participants and our compliments to that.

 

So yes, we are now down to the all important final games which in most cases will decide promotion, degradation and such. Which is exactly why the Rules state (Rule 4):  For the remaining matches TC can make a schedule and decide, for fair play purposes,  which match has to be played when (which sequence) and if required TC can provide additional rules.

 

We already made schedules and published them in the Division topics as well as is The Bomb of Spies. This week we also started to publish some additional Rules. When TC was working on the Rules for this tournament (better: tournaments) we decided to keep them lean, because that was what the community wanted and they are right. However, we had (and have) a whole lot of additional Rules ready if needed, but we think that is not neccessary. Why? Because the participants in this are all about sportmanship (just check the numerous topics on the forum and endless amount of cases brought to MT to be judged) and The Rules and especially The Policy, which they all accepted, are all about that.

 

So there really is nothing to worry about. Players that were able to get all these matches in, in more or less 6 weeks, will for sure be able to handle those last few ones. As soon as a game is placed on " The Fair Play List", particpiants in those games get PM's from TC (in most cases from Papillon, who deserves at least 10,000 BattleCoins for his efforts - Lonello please take care of that ;) ) and complete assistance. Since all these hardcore players are checking the forum all the time and read their PM's this will result in all matches being played...ofcourse unless they don't want to, but that is against Good Sportmanship and the Policy awards that with a DQ, but let's not go in to that now, as that seems highly unlikely anyway.

 

In any case the player that is not trying (not reading PM's, "not" reading PM's / forum, not answering them etc etc) will be the one that will suffer the consequences of all that, not other players in that Division. And about the draw refusal policy the Policy clearly states: The draw refusal policy is in place.

 

 

 

 

     


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