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#21 vowles_23

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 11:35 PM

Today a bronze marshal (I think his name was Monkeykong) Walked down into my base with his marshal and took my general. I had never moved it the whole game. He had never attacked it to know its identity. It was unprotected with the spy. he just up and took it and left.
How? How does a player do this? It absolutely blew my mind. I have never played someone who has done something so ridiculous. I just had to resign immediately. I don't even know what stratego is anymore.

 

Has anyone experienced something like this?

 

EDIT: I forgot to mention. My general was even on the 2nd to last ran.

 

Yeah I have. And that's just bad luck to you, no much you can do about, sounds like. Sometimes players get lucky doing it, but they usually don't, so it's okay. Just don't react and eventually they'll usually suicide into a bomb, or find themselves trapped in a corner. Or prevention is the key, just make sure you have an idea of what pieces are coming in ;)


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Posted 19 February 2013 - 01:36 AM

Varnish what was the rest of the game's situation? Were you up a major, colonel or number of other pieces?  If he was down in the game, I could maybe see if playing lotto, but if was a near even game then that makes no sense.  If it was a lower rated player, could see them getting careless and just attack anything with their Marshall.



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Posted 19 February 2013 - 01:56 AM

That's the thing. He wasn't down material, and he seemed like a strong player. I was probably down a captain or so, as I always seem to be.

He had a colonel over in that direction, and it was chasing my captain. It seemed to me he saw the way I used me captain and he made a read that that was my general. That is just fantastic play if that's the case.
But, how could he be so confident in his read that he would attack it with his marshal? How would he know it was unprotected with the spy?


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Posted 19 February 2013 - 02:50 AM

It was a great read on his part.  Perhaps he had a secondary attack elsewhere planned and even if he did lose his Marshall to your General/Spy he had a backup plan on his part to lead an attack with his General.  Sounded like this was still early in the game, I would have played out game a bit longer and see where it leads. 

 

Yesterday I was down a Major and a few pieces to a Marshall rated player, and I had my General deep in his zone.  This was a middle/late part of the game, we both had our Marshall and General left, but I had lost my spy already.  I didn't know where his Marshall was yet, but thought I had a clue, but I guessed wrong and lost my General to him.  Though as I lost my General, the piece I attacked with his Spy which gave me a chance still to play lotto if I could get my Marshall into his zone.  He tried to chase my Marshall with his and then he made slight error by blocking his Marshall's path with another piece that allowed me just enough time to get into the area I predicted his flag to be.  It was either a corner flag protected by bombs or an open flag.  I knew game would be over if it was a corner flag, because I wouldn't have the time to get my miner over there so, took the gamble with my Marshall to attack two squares on back row and one of them indeed was the flag. 



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Posted 19 February 2013 - 02:54 AM

The problem was he could have lost his marshal to a bomb even. The general looked exactly as a bomb would.

And yes, I like that strategy a lot. I have used it sometimes. I will sacrifice my marshal for his general, because I will have my general right behind and if his marshal is on the other side of the board I have a relative advantage on this side. Often a crushing advantage.
It is always scary to probe with the marshal though. :)


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Posted 20 February 2013 - 02:13 AM

Speaking of Marshall and bombs.  A few days ago beat some Major ranked player, he played very reckless with his top pieces and then said as he lost his Marshall to a bomb and said "No risk no reward.  I'm here for fun"  After I failed to have any reply to his comments, then starts to bad mouth me for being "too safe" and he was here for fun and keeps pissing and crying until his timer went to zero.  I'm here for fun too but, I'm not going to play lotto and hope I come out ahead.  Is it more fun to win?  Sure.  No fun to me if going to just move my pieces around just to move them.



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Posted 20 February 2013 - 11:36 AM

Speaking of Marshall and bombs.  A few days ago beat some Major ranked player, he played very reckless with his top pieces and then said as he lost his Marshall to a bomb and said "No risk no reward.  I'm here for fun"  After I failed to have any reply to his comments, then starts to bad mouth me for being "too safe" and he was here for fun and keeps pissing and crying until his timer went to zero.  I'm here for fun too but, I'm not going to play lotto and hope I come out ahead.  Is it more fun to win?  Sure.  No fun to me if going to just move my pieces around just to move them.

 

Haha, I know who you mean, I have met him also a couple of times. Starts with the letter p  ;) . He is a fair player though, but has his own way of enjoying games.... In my case he just left/surrendered after he said "No risk, no reward" though. It's just his way of justifying and digesting his loss


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Posted 20 February 2013 - 02:11 PM

Lol, nice motto to play a Stratego-game. No risk, no reward haha.
You can't play like that. But yeah, sometimes, we all do that.
Especially when you're under pressure and you're significant down in material.
Your patience doesn't hold it any longer and you start a furious attack in the hope to get at least levelled up in ranks. Sometimes you need a little bit of luck.
It's like poker,....it's a game of skills but without the luck, it's gonna be so much harder.
You've got to have a little bit of luck with the strategic positions on the board.

For instance,...I would dare to attack with my marshall on the sides(if there was movement at least) if I know that a major and a captain are standing in the middle.
The chance would be very likely that his spy is backing up those pieces so hopefully I can jack a colonel who thinks I'm gonna scout over there.

It happened yesterday against TheeeeMarshall.
He jacked my spy with his scout (which I thought it would be the marshall) and he was luring for the chance to kill my general, colonel and major who were vulnerable targets on my right side without the spy. I had a suspicion of where his marshall would be so I pretended my marshall as a scout, I charged in on his right side and he thought he could jack it with his colonel.
Probably because he didn't want to have a cheap scout identify his marshall next to it.
The moment he did that, I committed suicide with the marshall and I won the game.

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 02:27 PM

That's the thing. He wasn't down material, and he seemed like a strong player. I was probably down a captain or so, as I always seem to be.

He had a colonel over in that direction, and it was chasing my captain. It seemed to me he saw the way I used me captain and he made a read that that was my general. That is just fantastic play if that's the case.
But, how could he be so confident in his read that he would attack it with his marshal? How would he know it was unprotected with the spy?

Yeah, I also played MonkeyKong, he's a very strong player and sometimes reckless. He did that also to me but with his general after I jacked his Marshal, he came an took al my pieces like it was nothing but then, he jumped with it to a bomb and it was game over. But still he got my flag ... I didn't knew what happened. But I can assure you he's a very strong player. 



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Posted 20 February 2013 - 02:31 PM

Yeah, I also played MonkeyKong, he's a very strong player and sometimes reckless. He did that also to me but with his general after I jacked his Marshal, he came an took al my pieces like it was nothing but then, he jumped with it to a bomb and it was game over. But still he got my flag ... I didn't knew what happened. But I can assure you he's a very strong player. 

 

Sounds just like the real Monkey Kong, oh yeahhh!  :D  B)


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Posted 20 February 2013 - 02:34 PM

Sounds just like the real Monkey Kong, oh yeahhh!  :D  B)

Haha, yess indeed. It's also a funny nickname  B)



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Posted 20 February 2013 - 02:37 PM

Lost a game yesterday when a fairly high-rated played went lotto with his marshal and attacked an unknown 7 and following it, a scout down my left side. He needed to attack one square closed and I could have got him with my spy. Hate that. Seems like a silly tactic though, he can't do it very often I feel, because his win percentage was quite high.


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Posted 20 February 2013 - 02:59 PM

Lost a game yesterday when a fairly high-rated played went lotto with his marshal and attacked an unknown 7 and following it, a scout down my left side. He needed to attack one square closed and I could have got him with my spy. Hate that. Seems like a silly tactic though, he can't do it very often I feel, because his win percentage was quite high.

 

Maybe he already knew your setup? Did you use a saved one? I also met some people I never seem to have played before, perfectly knowing where my pieces are (although I really confiscate pieces well and do not play obvious). He must have had a secondary account. That's the bad thing with all those multiple accounts some people have.. I consider it cheating. And that might just be the reason his win percentage was high.


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Posted 20 February 2013 - 06:41 PM

I do have a number of saved setups, but I always try to change up a few pieces and/or may change where my flag will be at.  That way I can't use an excuse someone knew my setup already even if they had a second account. 



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Posted 20 February 2013 - 08:39 PM

Officially it's not cheating when known regulars play against you with another account.
It's their good right to do that. It's not cheating but it is indeed ridiculous.
But that's something what always will happen here. Human behaviour I guess :)
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 08:48 PM

Maybe he already knew your setup? Did you use a saved one? I also met some people I never seem to have played before, perfectly knowing where my pieces are (although I really confiscate pieces well and do not play obvious). He must have had a secondary account. That's the bad thing with all those multiple accounts some people have.. I consider it cheating. And that might just be the reason his win percentage was high.


It's possible he had a secondary account, but unlikely I think that I would have played him twice. I've played about 70 games, about 50 of them being quick games. I have my own setup, and I can remember a username if I've seen it before. He probably just got a bit lucky, I guess it's not very often you'd put your spy on the very edge of your setup, and he gambled on it.


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Posted 20 February 2013 - 08:49 PM

Officially it's not cheating when known regulars play against you with another account.
It's their good right to do that. It's not cheating but it is indeed ridiculous.
But that's something what always will happen here. Human behaviour I guess :)

Nope, the terms of use explicitly state that only one account per individual is allowed. But why would it be someones good right to do such a thing anyway? I agree it'll be hard to prevent though.

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 08:58 PM

If you're fed up with your account and you want something new,....then it wouldn't be possible according to their own rules? It could be.
But they will tolerate this anyway since there is proof of many players who have multiple accounts.
To stay related to this topic,...
maybe it's time for me to use another account? How about "Marshallattack"? :)
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Posted 20 February 2013 - 09:44 PM

Perhaps another reason someone may want to make another name is they have been harassed by a player or two.  Course this can lead to a harasser going on yet another name to attack that person when they have been blocked.  It's a two way street on that valid argument. 



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Posted 21 February 2013 - 05:33 PM

Played against Gold, a bronze general,....what an annoying guy is that.
So I knew almost from the start where his marshall was.
He wanted to lotto me through the middle with both his marshall and general.
So we trade off our marshall and with a scout i detected a lieutenant so I killed it with my colonel on the right side. He didn't know where my general was (also on the right) but he didn't want to trade off his general. He knew he wasn't gonna get my colonel so he took my bomb on the left with the miner.
So after that his general went to my left in the hope of hitting some pawns there.
But I could intercept it so he went up again, in direction of my colonel on the right.
So I came back through the middle to block him off.
From this timepoint, that's the only thing he was doing. Only move with the general back and forth.
I had no time for another move because that would have costed me a lieutenant plus he could hit five more pawns that were in danger (although he didn't know that).
He had no pawns that moved so I had to figure that out first with scouts but he didn't allow me to do that. There was no time for such moves as I had to guard his general all the time.
So I had to follow every step of his general to make sure it could not go anywhere.
He played this stupid game for about an half hour non-stop.
I talked to him but he didn't say anything.
Every time the same move, always away from my general and I couldn't do nothing against it.
I was sick of it after an half hour so I offered him a draw and he immediately accepted.
Lost 3 points with it but I don't care,....these guys are just pathetic, don't want to play them.
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